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bullet Posted: 11/24/08 at 9:51am
Just to add to your post Marty, invariably a lot of theatres at that time, especially in England, were in open air venues. 
To throw in another explanations, is that of the  olde adage & superstition of sailors, Which  could be more to the point of;- 'whistling up a wind', which of course could prove to have be a disaster.
Only the Greek/Roman theatres used sophisticated mechanical scenery changes &/or used sailors from their Navy's to rig & operate them.
As there was no venues in Old Will's  time, that were designed on the 'Roman Theatron'. Until Inigo Jones who used a proscenium arch stage &/or could of used any Dury rigged fly's system.
Basically like all of these the superstition is remembered after the reason, has been forgotten.
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bullet Posted: 11/25/08 at 7:17am
Originally posted by MartyW

Wow... Glad I'm not in Tony's next show... (lol)
 
Some of them, though long past thier prime, were based on real reasons.  In the time of the bard, "rigging" was best done by unemployed sailors.  As Cue's the sailors used some of the whistles that had been used on ship to tell them when it was time to fly in curtain or set peice... Whistling back stage could potentially confuse them and cause pieices to come in when it was undesirable, like when an actor was still under them..  But hey..  Most places just follow them as fun.. Not me of course.. I follow them because I'm a gulible member of the masses... Big%20smile
 
Sorry Marty didn't mean to specifically call anyone on this.  If you believe in any of them then that's your choice.  And yeah, I do understand that SOME of these things mentioned (as you did) were legitimate issues long past and out of date now.  But as I said, NOTHING EVER EVER happened in anything I was involved with just because of these superstitions - even those that were not legitimately regarded from the past as necessary.  Just a silly thing that people LIKE to feel might be the reason for things going wrong when they do.  Literally anything that has ever gone wrong could EASILY be coincidental and explained from the standpoint of human error - not some mystical issue that is perpetuated by those who DO believe it all to be true.  But certainly I didn't intend to step on toes - though I'm famous enough for that and usually run my mouth wherein that often occurs.  But you know what, at my age, I don't worry too much about that anymore.  I say what I think and if someone doesn't like it or agree with it....oh well!! One of the advantages of growing older - you don't really have to worry about what you say or what anyone thinks.LOL
 
Anyway I appreciate your comments.  Follow your own path.  Mine never had any issue arise from any supposed superstition violated.  But then I don't worry about that stuff - maybe it occurred, I just didn't care and could always explain it away as human error or failing.
 
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bullet Posted: 11/25/08 at 8:53am

The "Wow... Glad I'm not in Tony's next..." was a tounge in cheek... I figure you are calling down the wrath of the theater gods...  lol.. I don't know THAT many folks who take them all seriously... but they are fun.  Kind of more like theater "tradition" than actual superstition... I don't mind those who don't believe....  I dont buy them all either. 

 
Now, we start making fun of our manditory Theater Ghost, and we got trouble!Wink
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bullet Posted: 11/25/08 at 9:21am
"Without our tradition, we'd be like a, like a fiddler on the roof!"
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bullet Posted: 1/04/09 at 10:31pm
"Break a leg" is still used in our theater.  My MIL wished me "Good luck" before my performance and my husband explained not to ever say that again.  Will something bad happen?  Well, let's just stick with the tradition, even if just the fun of it, can't hurt.
 
My newest good luck charm is to kiss the dimmer packs when I turn them on or off.  This was passed down to me from a stage manager that had been there when the old ones failed during a show, and they're not exactly in a convenient spot to flick on in a moment's notice.  So we treat the new ones with tenderness. 
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I certainly do have my quirks once I'm inside a theatre; you'll never hear me utter the name of "The Scottish Play" or wishing someone good luck under its roof...

But my best superstition story comes from not from a community theatre, but from an actual professional gig a few years ago... I was on the running crew for a production of The Nutcracker.  We had two flashpots, for the transition to the battle scene, and when the Nutcracker becomes the prince.  Final dress, we fired the flashpot and all seemed to be well.  The scene changed, the christmas tree grew, and we flew the backdrop of the living room out to reveal the mouse king's battle set... a minute or so later, we hear over the headset from the flyrail:  "Um... guys?  This backdrop is on fire."  We stopped the show, lowered the drop, and extinguished it.  No open flame, but an ever-widening smoldering hole, and the flash pot was the clear culprit.

As we examined our flash powder, we saw that it had "Sparkle Additive"... we theorized that one of the sparkles landed on the drop (which was rather old and dry) and started to smolder.  We had no time to order new powder, so we resorted to filling spray bottles with water and making sure that backdrop was pretty well doused before we fired the first flashpot.  Next day, opening performance, it worked!  ...and then the second flash pot ignited a small fire in the fireplace (which is a good place for it to be, honestly).  Luckily it was struck soon after, and duly doused.

At this point we began to resort to theatrical sorcery to protect ourselves.  Aside from wetting the set, at the next performance we wrote "NO FIRE" on our two charges in silver sharpie.  And, poetically enough... they didn't fire at all.  Duds!  Sometimes sorcery is too literal.

At every subsequent performance, we silver-sharpied a more clear set of instructions, "BIG BOOM NO FIRE" on each and every charge, and every one performed as expected.   Big boom, no fire.

So, to this day, no flashpot is complete without a BIG BOOM NO FIRE command scripted on it... lest the curse of "The Firecracker" come back to haunt me!
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