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Topic: Superstitions
Posted By: pdavis69
Subject: Superstitions
Date Posted: 1/25/08 at 8:59am
Just reading a posting of Joe's about fresh flowers being bad luck, I had to wonder what type of theatrical superstitions were out there.  Do any of you have any quirky theatrical superstitions?

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Patrick L. Davis
Fort Findlay Playhouse



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Posted By: Kibitzer
Date Posted: 1/25/08 at 10:36am
Of course there's the classic:  Break a leg!  Wishing good luck is bad luck...

Bad final dress rehearsal/preview leads to a great opening night; good final dress rehearsal/preview leads to a terrible opening night.  I don't know if this is a superstition or a pattern I have noticed over the years! 

Then there are personal superstitions.  I have to arrive at least 90 minutes prior to curtain time.  I have to physically and mentally warm-up, no matter what the part:  bit, lead, whatever.  But the big one when I was acting was that I would always wear the same undershirt for the entire run of the show - no washing it!  Of course, with my figure, I needed as much clothing as possible to cover up what otherwise would forever subvert ticket sales.  There was, however, one exception to this.  Many years ago I was in a show called "Doubles", which took place in the men's locker room of a tennis club in Connecticut.  I have never undressed and dressed in front of more people more often in my life!  On Broadway, they undressed to their birthday suits; but this was community theatre, so we just went to our jockies or boxers, as the case may be.  Superstitions or not, I had absolutely clean undies every night of the show!


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"Security is a kind of death." - Tennessee Williams


Posted By: MartyW
Date Posted: 1/25/08 at 10:45am

No whistling back stage....

Never saying the name of that famous shakespearian play about a scottish nobel in the theater, unless that show is actually being DONE in the theater at that time...
 
Then there are the local ones like at Bowling Green State University theater they always invite the resident ghost to the show so she wont be upset and cause problems..
 
There was a whole thread on this once before I think...
 
 


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Marty W

"Till next we trod the boards.."


Posted By: Aimee
Date Posted: 1/25/08 at 5:45pm
During one show (Harvey I think) we banned anyone from bringing anything from Burger King anywhere near the stage/cafeteria.
We were working (building the set) over Spring break , had lunch (Burger King) and the rest of the afternoon EVERYTHING went wrong. Doors were falling apart, nothing fit right, even after being measure several times, ran out of tape..... and so on .So from that point, no burger King. Yes, I know very odd, but there you have it.
Now, since that stage is gone  and the new one almost complete I am sure we'll have a whole NEW list of wierd things to do and not to doWacko


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Aimee


Posted By: SherrieAnne
Date Posted: 1/25/08 at 10:01pm
Originally posted by MartyW

No whistling back stage....

 
This is one of those superstitions that actually had a reason when it started, back in the day...Shakespeare's day, that is, maybe earlier.  Back then, stagehand duties were carried out by sailors, who communicated with one another by means of coded whistles.  If anyone else whistled backstage, it might mess up their "code" - and someone might get a sandbag on their head.
 
Personally, I have a terrible superstition about peacock feathers.  I've read that it's a traditional superstition, but I recall the first flop I was ever associated with was a production of DIAL M FOR MURDER, in which the set decorator had insisted on putting peacock feathers in a vase onstage.  The show was good - but audiences stayed away in droves. 
 
Makeup kits should always be kept messy (NO problem sticking with THAT one for me!) - and a rabbit's foot should live in your makeup box at all times.  If you spill powder, dance on it to assure a return engagement at that theatre.  (A return engagement is also assured if you trip when making an entrance - as long as you don't take the set down with you.) LOL
 
 


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There's a little bit of diva in all of us. Some just have a larger helping than others.


Posted By: MartyW
Date Posted: 1/26/08 at 8:19am
Originally posted by SherrieAnne

[No whistling back stage....
 
Most of them do Sherrie.. Most of them do...   in point of fact (as in my fact, because EVERYONE has thier own version) Not wishing Good luck is its own superstition, and Break a Leg was a wish for the individual to do such a great performance that it would be worthy of a bow... In those days, "Best foot forward" was still an axiom telling folks to truely show their best leg (in tights) They presented a staight plain of that limb as it was cheated forward... when they bowed, they would bend at the knee, or break the plain of the leg... break a leg...
 


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Marty W

"Till next we trod the boards.."


Posted By: JoeMc
Date Posted: 1/26/08 at 10:12am
 Burning 3 candles on stage.
Which is also tied up with the 3 witches of M'B'th & thier incantations. Uttering the name prior to opening performance, along with mentiong the last line of a play. Can be rectified by leaving the stage, turning about 3 times & asking perfmission to enter the stage again.
For good luck throwing a piece of coal from the stage to the top balcony [Gods] at a new theatre. {[Not so good for the lanterns, fittings & fixtures] possibly related to the Scots tradition of the 'First footer' bringing a piece of coal on hogmanay [new years eve]. After the last stroke of midnight & bringing good luck for the  ne'er [new year] day.}
With the peacock feather, it is the eye in the plumage, that is said to be the evil eye.
Also with whistling, besides being used as a cue system signal. It is also what sailors do to whistle up a wind/storm. Which in open air theatres of the time would have caused havoc with mchanical scenery & equipment.
Wearing a green costume, is supposedly bad luck, from the piont of view they used green signal flags. along with the whistles for cues.
however i believe it was because the curtains in the Inigo Jones designed proscenium arch theatre. Used Pages to draw the house curtain closed, wearing green livery.
Similarly with wearing blue fabric costumes, was a sure sign the playe would loose money. Because in those days blue dye was very exspensive & an extensive process. Thus closure must follow.
In pantomime the Fairy only enters & exits at stage right [OP]. Also upon counteracting against a bad spell, she would swap her wand from the roght hand to the left.
Stage left is considered the devils side [PS]. Because salt is thrown over the left shoulder, into the face of the devil.Ouch Also in the painting the 'last supper'. Judas sits on the left hand side of  JC.
Along with bitds in flight, especialy the ceramic wall ornaments of 3 ducks in flight. They must fly toward stage right [OP] or upstage towards the sky [cyc - sky cloth].
 
Also Knitting backstage.
 


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[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound!
TOI TOI CHOOKAS
{may you always play to a full house!}


Posted By: eveharrington
Date Posted: 1/27/08 at 2:08pm
I've never heard of the knitting backstage superstition. The props lady on the last show I directed sat backstage knitting like a fiend through every show, does this mean I can blame all the misteps on her? Frankly I was much more annoyed by the incessant soduku "playing" of the sound girl.

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"If nothing else, there's applause... like waves of love pouring over the footlights."


Posted By: JoeMc
Date Posted: 1/27/08 at 5:05pm
The knitting one is because of the needles, not that they could injure anyone. But they may damage costumes or sets.
There is another one with putting shoes, used in the show, on the prop table. - weird!


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[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound!
TOI TOI CHOOKAS
{may you always play to a full house!}


Posted By: Nanette
Date Posted: 1/29/08 at 4:03am
Here are a couple of interesting ones from Wikipedia:
 
A common superstition held by actors is that sleeping with a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Script_%28performing_arts%29 - script under their pillow will help them to learn it faster.
 
In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language - Spanish -speaking countries, before each show, director and actors gather in the stage, join hands and scream "¡Mierda!" ("sh*t!"). Instead of "break a leg", those who want to wish good luck to the performers wish mierda to them.

Similarly, in France, actors say the word "Merde!" just before making an entrance.

As part of warmups before a show, some casts get together and say "sh*t!" to avoid doing it during the performance if something goes wrong.

It is traditional for actors to draw a mascara tree, preferrably on the belly button, before performances.



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In a world of margarine, be butter!


Posted By: MartyW
Date Posted: 1/31/08 at 8:42am
Forgot I had this... Here is a few more.
 
THEATRICAL 
SUPERSTITIONS AND SAINTS

         Not surprisingly, given the number of things that can go wrong, sometimes with no apparent logical cause, theatre folk often are a superstitious lot. 

        Superstitions aren't limited to the theatre, of course.  Undoubtedly you’ve heard of athletes who feel they absolutely must always wear a given article of clothing or they’ll have a bad game.  For example, Jack Nickalaus must carry three pennies with him every time he plays golf, Babe Ruth had to touch first base with his foot on the way to the outfield, and race-car driver Rick Mears refuses to allow peanuts near his car.  (For an excellent book about superstitions in sports, see Locker Room Mojo by Nick Newton and Bill Minutaglio, from which these examples are drawn.  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0967046645/qid=1058707878/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/002-4076080-5828856?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 - Amazon link .)  

       Surely we all have our personal superstitions about avoiding walking under ladders, not stepping on a sidewalk’s crack, and changing direction so the black cat does not cross our paths.  And as for breaking a mirror--of course we know that means seven years of bad luck!

        For many of us, there’s a comfort in the ritual of superstition.  Perhaps the logical part of your brain tells you there’s no magic in the first star you see at night but your heart encourages you to say, “Star light, star bright, first star I see tonight, I wish I may, I wish I might....”  Not only is there comfort, we are happy that our art has interesting quirks. They contribute to our feeling we're special, different.

        Here, then, are some theatrical superstitions.  We follow that discussion with a look at two special theatrical saints.
 
 

THEATRICAL SUPERSTITIONS

        In theatre, many of our superstitions are based on old lore with origins that are lost in history.  Often we can only conjecture how they started.  Whatever their origins, they are fixed by constant repetition and are a firm part of what makes theatre interesting and colorful.

BREAK A LEG

        “Break a leg!” is the standard way of wishing actors a good show.  Why?  No one knows with certainty.  It may be based on the premise that saying “good luck” actually will have an adverse affect.   There's a possibility the saying comes from folklore, as Evan Morris ( http://www.word-detective.com/ - www.word-detective.com ) suggests:  "Popular folklore down through the ages is full of warnings against wishing your friends good luck. To do so is to tempt evil spirits or demons to do your friend  harm. Better to outwit the demons (who must be rather dim, it seems to me) by wishing your friend bad fortune." 

        Perhaps the saying comes—in a complicated way—from the use of “leg.”  In tech theatre, a “leg” is a curtain, and a highly successful run with repeated curtain calls could wear out the fly machinery that raises and lowers the "leg," er, curtain.  “Break a leg” is (a complex!) way of expressing wishes for a show that is so great, with the audience demanding so many curtain calls, that it "breaks" that "leg" or curtain. 

        Another possible background for the expression is its relation to "taking a knee," which itself has roots in chivalry.  Meeting royalty, one would "take a knee"--bend down to one knee.  That breaks the line of the leg, hence "break a leg," a wish that the performer will do so well that he or she will need take bows.

         Someone may try to convince you that "break a leg" actually has sardonic roots in John Wilkes Booth's assassination of President Lincoln in 1865.  You know, of course, that Booth was an actor and that after shooting Lincoln he jumped down from the President's box to the stage, breaking his leg in the process.  (After he landed on stage he shouted "Sic semper Tyrannis!" Latin for "Thus may it be it ever to tyrants!"  So why isn't that the phrase we use to say "good luck" to actors?)  Incidentally, according to Michael W. Kauffman's book, John Wilkes Booth and the Lincoln Conspiracies, it isn't true he broke his leg in that jump.  The break, Kauffman writes, happened later during Booth's frenized escape, when his horse fell.     http://www.powells.com/sal/search/DTSearch/search?author=%20Michael%20W.%20Kauffman -

        Others will tell you that the roots of the expression date back to the famous French actress, Sarah Bernhardt, whose career continued even after her leg was amputated in 1915.  (So why isn't the phrase "cut off a leg"?)  Both theories are colorful but unlikely. 

        Partridge's A Dictionary of Catch Phrases suggests that there may be a connection with the German phrase Hals und Beinbruch, an invitation to break your neck and bones.  That phrase is used by aviators and is equivalent to the English phrase Happy Landings.  But how the phrase flew from airports to the stage isn't known.  (Pilots do have their way of talking.  When I was learning to fly, the phrase I heard was, "Don't bend the plane."  My flight instructor muttered at me not to bend his plane.  If someone had a rotten landing and broke the landing gear or worse, the hanger pilots would shake their heads and say, "Man!  He sure did bend that plane!") 

        Whichever of these contribute to the phrase, the point is clear: "Break a leg" means "Have a great show!"

THAT SCOTTISH PLAY 

         One of the most prevalent theatrical superstitions forbids mentioning the title of Shakespeare’s tragedy about a lustful greed for power.  Don't ever say its name when you're inside a theatre building.  Call it “that Scottish play.”  Long-time theatre workers can recite many legendary bad-luck events, so inexplicable that supernatural forces of evil must have caused them, which jolted actors or productions after someone actually said the name of this particular play. 

        Some say that more accidents and bad luck are connected with that play than with any other.  Although there’s no hard evidence to support that claim, it does have major sword fights—the death of Banquo, the leading character’s (yes, I’m avoiding saying the name!) battle with Young Siward, and his final struggle with MacDuff—which obviously give more opportunities for accidents than we find in most plays.  Certainly, too, the play's darkness (the word "dark" or its synonyms appears in it more than in any other of Shakespeare's plays, and "love" appears less than in most of his plays), the presence of "the weird sisters," and the growth of evil combine to give it raw destructive power. 

        There's another theory for this play's "cursed" reputation.  Supposedly in the past, when theatres were in grave financial difficulties, they'd desperately select this (no, we're not mentioning its title!) play to draw audiences, and therefore this play became known as a curse of failing theatres.  Interesting theory, albeit complex.  But was this play really such a major draw?  To judge by the modern popularity of Romeo and Juliet, that play would be a far better selection to draw audiences.   I'm not sure that theory has much logic. 

        (We barely whisper its name here, looking nervously over our shoulder:  Macbeth.)

THE GHOST LIGHT 

        Many theatres have ghosts, according to resident theatre personnel who will tell you they’ve seen or heard uncanny visitors, and some insist that to ward off bad luck spirits there must always be a “ghost light” illuminating the stage when it is not in use.  It is turned on as the actors and crews leave and burns all night.  If the stage is dark, the superstition has it, ghosties can run free.  Or perhaps we leave a light on so they can perform.

        To me, the reason is less ghostly and more a statement of intense belief:  we must be sure that concrete light always is on so that the metaphorical light of the theatre never will disappear.  "Dark," let us recall, refers to a time when there is no show (i.e., "We perform Tuesday through Sunday, but Monday is dark").   We want our art never to become "dark" but instead to remain brightly alive.

        Of course there also is a practical reason for that light on stage:  a large number of items come and go on the stage as a show is prepared, and the place can get downright cluttered, so a light helps protect against accidental falls when someone stumbles around in the dark—or (more importantly??) prevents accidental damage to the set.

SPEAKING OF LIGHTS.  .  .  .

         This is not a superstition but instead illustrates the way some theatrical terms enter every day conversation.  You've heard of this or that athlete, politician, or rock star having his/her day "in the limelight"?  The phrase dates back to 1808 when Sir Humphrey Davy, a British chemist, discovered that a brilliant white light resulted from heating calcium oxide ("lime") to an extreme temperature.  This limelight became popular to illuminate the important actors on stage.  Think follow spot.  It follows, then, that "in the limelight" came to mean "in the center of attention."  And vice versa.

WHISTLING BACKSTAGE

         Returning to superstitions. . . .  Whistling backstage is a taboo because it supposedly brings dire results.  This superstition quite likely has its roots in the past when managers hired sailors to run the fly loft, on the premise that the sailors’ expertise with knots and raising and lowering sails made them ideal workers.  A signal system of whistles cued the sailors.  Someone whistling for personal enjoyment could sound like a cue, resulting in a dire event like a heavy batten falling on actors’ heads.  Therefore whistling can be bad luck. 

        This is akin to clapping backstage. One never claps backstage, goes this superstition, because it brings bad luck.  Again, the roots are founded in signals to crews--a noise like clapping might cue the fly loft crew to execute a shift, with distinctly unfortunate results.

A BAD DRESS REHEARSAL WILL MAKE A GREAT OPENING

        Then there's that saying that "a bad dress rehearsal will equal a good opening night."  Me, I think that started with a producer who had a show underway that had an absolute disastrous dress.  Not knowing how else to build morale, the producer glibly invented a quick excuse:   "Well, you know the old saying that a bad dress guarantees a great show!"  And that propaganda is hauled out by its hind legs everytime a dress rehearsal goes down the tubes.  Plah!  As far as I've seen, a cruddy dress most often will mean a cruddy opening; a potent dress rehearsal, on the other hand, builds confidence and morale and it is a marvelous high leaping off place for growth that will follow.

SPEAKING THE PLAY'S LAST LINE IN REHEARSALS 

        Some theatre folks believe it is bad luck to speak the last line of the play before opening night, because the play isn't "finished" until performed.  Well. . . .  Given the number of tech cues associated with that last line--lights, sound, curtain--plus somewhat frenzied blocking to get everyone offstage and in position for the curtain call, isn't it awfully risky not to rehearse it?

        (Somewhat connected, I've always postponed blocking the curtain call until the very last moment, mostly because doing it says "we're finished" when we aren't.  Too, the way a curtain call is blocked necessarily will indicate relative importance of various roles, and I dislike making that statement to the cast because it violates the idea of an ensemble, the creation of which is always one of my directorial goals.)

BOX OFFICE SUPERSTITIONS

        This superstition seeks to ensure financial success.  It insists that  the house manager must refuse to admit a person with a “comp” (free ticket) until after at least one paying patron has entered the auditorium.  Doing otherwise, according to this superstition, dooms the production to failure. 

         A second superstition is pure sexist.  In 1866, what was to become known as the “first American musical” was about to open in New York at Niblo’s Gardens.  This history-making production was a gaudy extravaganza called The Black Crook that was some five and a half hours long (!).  At the time no one was aware of the historical significance of this production or that it was the beginning of America's major contribution to theatre arts.  No, it was merely an accidental conjoining of a theatre manager desperate to get some production, any production, to fill his theatre, plus an unemployed ballet company, some spare scenery, and a desperately cobbled together script about some sort of fantasy world.  The script made little sense, but that didn't matter:  there were beautiful dancing ladies in skimpy costumes!  (Of course you'll recognize that tradition in today's musicals!) 

        On opening night September 12, William Wheatley, the manager of Niblo's Gardens, was at the theatre’s entrance as the audience was about to enter.  To his shock, the first person in line was a woman.  “No!  You cannot be first,” Wheatley said, pushing her away.  “To allow a woman to be the first to enter would ruin the success of the play!”  The Black Crook ran 474 performances, a gigantic run for its time, and its success of course prompted dozens of imitations, giving rise to what we know today as the “American Musical Theatre.” 

        Wheatley later claimed the huge success of The Black Crook was due to the way he refused to allow a woman to be first to enter his theatre on opening night.  H'mmm.  Are we to conclude there’d be no American musical tradition if that female had been the first to enter?

MIRRORS 

     Others believe it is bad luck to have a mirror on stage (a superstition perhaps rooted in ancient times when the mirror could open the soul to the devil?).  Of course a mirror can be a technical nuisance because it will reflect light into the audience's eyes.  But the mirror superstition should've been put to rest with the production of Chorus Line-- 6,137 performances!--and its famous mirror scene.

FLOWERS ON STAGE

     Live, real flowers on stage are bad luck (perhaps because they’ll wilt under the heat of theatrical lights?). 

A BLACK CAT

        A black cat usually is considered bad luck.  Not in theatre, however, according to some theatre practitioners.  They think it brings good luck.  Why?  There are some stories, perhaps true, of actors who had a "black cat experience" right before going on stage and gave a show-stopping, better-than-ever performance.  Therefore, of course, the black cat made that great show happen.  (Hey, no one expects theatre folks to be logical!)  Some actors even bring a black cat backstage.

THE GREEN ROOM

         "I know London. . .ay, and the Green Room, and all the Girls and Women there."
~~Colly Cibber,
Loves Makes A Man (1700)
        Partly a superstition, mostly legend, The Green Room for centuries has been an inherent part of theatrical architecture.  The first reference to it seems to be in a play by Thomas Shadwell called A True Widow, 1679.  We may not know why it has that name but we are certain about what it is—a cozy backstage room for actors to assemble when they are not on stage, logically near the dressing rooms with quick access to the stage.  To help actors catch their cues for their entrances, in the Green Room are monitors that broadcast the play's action and, often, the audience responses. 

        The Green Room also is the place where audience members come after a production to embrace the cast. 

        Theatrical lore insists that the Green Room must be a nice, attractive room--after all, it is special, the theatre's "living room," a show place, a gathering place for actors, and the only backstage space to which audiences are invited--and that everyone must take pride in keeping it neat.  Woe to the person who clutters it or turns it into a personal storeroom, demonstrating a selfish self-centered arrogance that shows no respect for the theatre, its traditions, or its actors! 

        On opening night, quite often the Green Room is creatively decorated with images of the play in progress, flowers, festive streamers and banners, keepsake gifts from each actor to each actor, and supportive cards and telegrams.  The decorations give the room a festive quality, celebrating "another opening, another show," as the Cole Porter song from Kiss Me Kate says. 

        But while we know what it is, we don’t know why it is green.  Why not blue or red or some other color?  Pure and simple, we just don’t know. 

        Because we don't know, there are a lot of different stories.  One common theory is that the color green is soothing to eyes that have been exposed to intense stage lighting, but that theory falls apart when we remember that Green Rooms existed when theatres were lit by candles, which were hardly intense.  Another theory has it that in the Sixteenth Century actors wore green to show their occupation or, perhaps, their allegiance to their particular patron, but that's pretty shaky and mostly untrue.  Some people point out that early theatre was presented in the town's center--"on the green"--but how that creates the place called the Green Room is too much of a stretch for me to accept.  Sometimes you'll hear that the room is green because it is a soothing color, but this concept is based on Twentieth Century century psychological theory.  Another reason is that it is called green because actors would be paid in this room--but the Green Room started in England, and English money isn't green like US currency.  Besides, in the 1700s they would most likely be paid in coins, not notes. 

        None of those theories seems to hold water.  Pure and simple, we just don't know.  We can say, safely, "Hey, it is called The Green Room 'cause it is painted green" *s*. 

        Whatever the reason for its color, the Green Room is a firm part of theatrical lore.  It has been a fixture in theatre for centuries.  It also has spilled over to television—guests waiting to go on camera will wait in The Green Room. 

       The "Grian Room"?  I recently received (January, 2003) an e-mail from Bill Watkins who offers a new possible source of “Green Room.”  He points out that there are “hundreds of Gaelic words in English, like whiskey, galore, farmer, drover, pony,” and that “golf being a Scottish game it has the Gaelic terms caddy, divot, and fore!”  He therefore offers “Grian Room,” from Gaelic, “grian” meaning “sunlit,” and says “greenhouse” comes from that root as it is a sun-house (“Tigh na Ghrian”).  “In many of the theatres I have worked, the Green Room was the one one with windows, so maybe….”  A visit to Watkins’s site ( http://www.wildbillwatkins.com/ - link) shows his books indicating that he is involved with Gaelic lore. 

        Theatrical Consultant Larry Graham of CDAI passed along (August, 2004) another interesting bit of lore regarding the Green Room.  "While visiting the Royal Opera House in London, I was told this story:  In the 18th Century the Price of Wales (I forget which one) maintained a romantic liaison with a singer at the Opera.  In order for him and his entourage to meet privately with this lady and her friends, the Opera House remodeled a space to be used for that purpose.  It was painted green."

OUR TWO THEATRICAL SAINTS

        Theatre has two patron saints, both martyrs from the third century, who are invoked to protect actors from disaster. 

ST. GENESIUS

        St. Genesius, according to legend, was a comedian who converted to Christianity.  While performing a farcical version of Christian baptism on stage for the Emperor Diocletian (Roman Emperor and persecutor of the Church, born 245, died 313), Genesius suddenly had a revelation and refused to continue to make fun of Christianity.  Diocletian was outraged and ordered the actor’s death.  He was tortured, torn with hooks, beheaded, and burned on stage.  (He is also described as patron saint of lawyers, printers, and secretaries.)  His feast day is August 25.

ST. VITUS

        The story of the second theatrical patron saint is also ascribed to legend.  St. Vitus exorcised Emperor Diocletian’s son of evil spirits that caused him to twitch uncontrollably.  (We now know that is caused by chorea, a temporary disorder of those parts of the brain that control movements and coordination and causing continuous, involuntary jerking movements now called “St. Vitus dance” and known also as Sydenham's Chorea and Rheumatic Chorea.)

        Despite the service to his son,  the emperor was outraged that Vitus pronounced his belief in Christianity, accused him of sorcery, and placed him in a vat of boiling water.  Vitus emerged unharmed, and an angel helped him escape Rome.  The beautiful St. Vitus’s Cathedral is the largest and the most important church in Prague.  (He is also the patron saint of comedians and dancers, and he is invoked against epilepsy.)  His feast day is June 15.



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Marty W

"Till next we trod the boards.."


Posted By: Topper
Date Posted: 1/31/08 at 9:46am
The simplest explanation I've ever heard of the origin of "Green Room" is that it is merely a corruption of the words "Gathering Room."    (In Middle English getheren, gaderen. From Old English gadrian).

Sort of the way a chamber pot is sometimes referred to as a "gazunder" because it "goes under" the bed, I believe "gadrian room" became compressed to "g'rian room" and eventually "the green room."

It became an inside, slang term (what industry doesn't have their own lingo?) that was misunderstood by some misguided maintenance worker who figured "If they're calling it a green room -- then I guess we ought to paint it green!"

It's now become the old "chicken and egg" conundrum -- which came first?

After all, this is the room where the actors gather before the show, during intermission, etc. It's where the audience could gather afterwards and meet the actors. And it's a handy place for the stage manager to keep track of their actors, making sure they've not wandered off backstage somewhere or to the nearest pub.

And, fittingly, it's become the name of this wonderful website where ardent theater junkies like ourselves can gather and share our opinions.

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"None of us really grow up. All we ever do is learn how to behave in public." -- Keith Johnstone


Posted By: MartyW
Date Posted: 1/31/08 at 10:31am
Topper... the last post of mine was one that I had found online a while back.. My own favorite interpretation of the green room, and the one that I tend to believe, is that when most theater was done outside the only real "flooring" that was provided was the stage area itself and that an area back stage was set asside for the actors to get ready.  This area, usually on the grass was probably surounded by canvas side or even a tent.  The name came from the fact that unlike the wood floor of the stage, that floor was the green itself... Grass..

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Marty W

"Till next we trod the boards.."


Posted By: JoeMc
Date Posted: 1/31/08 at 7:01pm
Marty like you, my preference is the with the grass of the 'Green Sward'.
Which is steeped in British law, going back to the Magna Carte or beyond.
Where a strip of open land space was set aside in towns & villages. To be always available for the common folk to use, hence these areas where also known as the town Commons & Greens. This stoped gready Barons [developers] from taking ownership of the set aside common land. In fact there are still disputes going on in pohmyland [England] now & then today, over local government aquiring Commons  or Greens for redevelopment.
Similar in the British Public School [meaning Private school] system. A Common room is set aside for the same purpose as the green room in theatre.
Inigo Jones I belive designated on various drawn plans of theatres of the time. [Including the fsmous Phoenix Theatre, that was built on burnt out site of the infamous Cockpit areana in London.] The Attire, green common areas? For the most part this also lends it self to the belief of an area set aside, to divest ones self of any green clothing, prior to entrering the stage. Because green flags were used as a cue signalling method back stage. Which to me is a load of poppycock.  Because I'm sure flag signalling colours, such as red & green [Stop & Go] was adopted at the advent of the  steam engine & industrialisation.
So a canvas sectioned area, set up on the Green Sward, used as a performers comon room on the grass, between shows. Is the most plauseable explanation for me.
Be it correct or up the creek, without a paddle! 
 CHOOKAS.
 
 
 


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[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound!
TOI TOI CHOOKAS
{may you always play to a full house!}


Posted By: lind17789
Date Posted: 11/12/08 at 7:53pm
Ok so i know that if you say the Scottish Play word then he/she is required to leave the theatre building, spin around three times, spit, curse, and then knock to be allowed back in. But what kind of thing do you have to do when you wear blue or green. Or when you wear jewelry or is there nothing you have to do???

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Soccer Chic


Posted By: MartyW
Date Posted: 11/13/08 at 7:59am
Take it off would be my first bet..

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Marty W

"Till next we trod the boards.."


Posted By: JoeMc
Date Posted: 11/13/08 at 9:03am
Good one Marty!
That will break the curse each time - I believe?
With the MacB'th one, you also need to direct the curse & spit, over ones left shoulder. Left as in stage left, being the devils side. So it done into the face of the devil.
Similar as with the 'good Fairy' in pantos, who changes her wand into the left hand, to break evil spells. Because it is the closest to her heart [who is normally a bloke anyway!].Wink


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[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound!
TOI TOI CHOOKAS
{may you always play to a full house!}


Posted By: dexter74656
Date Posted: 11/23/08 at 12:45pm
Originally posted by Kibitzer

Bad final dress rehearsal/preview leads to a great opening night; good final dress rehearsal/preview leads to a terrible opening night.  I don't know if this is a superstition or a pattern I have noticed over the years! 


This is one I completely believe in - not just in theater but also as a professional musician... in college, the only time we had a good dress rehearsal, the concert bombed... and I've talked to an orchestra director that I play for about this and he says that at times, if the dress is going too well, he'll intentionally do something wrong to throw the rehearsal.





Posted By: TonyDi
Date Posted: 11/24/08 at 7:50am
I regret to say - or maybe I don't regret it - but NEVER in the nearly 50 years I've been at this, have any of these superstitions EVER plagued me or anything I was ever connected with in any way, shape, form or fashion. I know they're superstitions and I frankly do NOT believe in superstitions such as these.  I've violated every one that has been mentioned and never has anything ever happened out of the ordinary or otherwise was the result of human stupidity or other issues totally explainable and common.  Believe as you will.  I never worry about whistling backstage, uttering Macbeth, wearing whatever colors I chose to, or any of these foolishly perpetuated myths that are or can be purely coincidentally explained if and when they happen. WHY they continue I have no idea - I don't ever have any issue with any of these and will always deny that these things happen any other way than by coincidence which continues to perpetuate them among the more gullible masses.
 
Okay off the box now Tony!!  Wink
 
 


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"Almost famous"


Posted By: MartyW
Date Posted: 11/24/08 at 8:01am
Wow... Glad I'm not in Tony's next show... (lol)
 
Some of them, though long past thier prime, were based on real reasons.  In the time of the bard, "rigging" was best done by unemployed sailors.  As Cue's the sailors used some of the whistles that had been used on ship to tell them when it was time to fly in curtain or set peice... Whistling back stage could potentially confuse them and cause pieices to come in when it was undesirable, like when an actor was still under them..  But hey..  Most places just follow them as fun.. Not me of course.. I follow them because I'm a gulible member of the masses... Big%20smile


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Marty W

"Till next we trod the boards.."


Posted By: JoeMc
Date Posted: 11/24/08 at 9:51am
Just to add to your post Marty, invariably a lot of theatres at that time, especially in England, were in open air venues. 
To throw in another explanations, is that of the  olde adage & superstition of sailors, Which  could be more to the point of;- 'whistling up a wind', which of course could prove to have be a disaster.
Only the Greek/Roman theatres used sophisticated mechanical scenery changes &/or used sailors from their Navy's to rig & operate them.
As there was no venues in Old Will's  time, that were designed on the 'Roman Theatron'. Until Inigo Jones who used a proscenium arch stage &/or could of used any Dury rigged fly's system.
Basically like all of these the superstition is remembered after the reason, has been forgotten.


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[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound!
TOI TOI CHOOKAS
{may you always play to a full house!}


Posted By: TonyDi
Date Posted: 11/25/08 at 7:17am
Originally posted by MartyW

Wow... Glad I'm not in Tony's next show... (lol)
 
Some of them, though long past thier prime, were based on real reasons.  In the time of the bard, "rigging" was best done by unemployed sailors.  As Cue's the sailors used some of the whistles that had been used on ship to tell them when it was time to fly in curtain or set peice... Whistling back stage could potentially confuse them and cause pieices to come in when it was undesirable, like when an actor was still under them..  But hey..  Most places just follow them as fun.. Not me of course.. I follow them because I'm a gulible member of the masses... Big%20smile
 
Sorry Marty didn't mean to specifically call anyone on this.  If you believe in any of them then that's your choice.  And yeah, I do understand that SOME of these things mentioned (as you did) were legitimate issues long past and out of date now.  But as I said, NOTHING EVER EVER happened in anything I was involved with just because of these superstitions - even those that were not legitimately regarded from the past as necessary.  Just a silly thing that people LIKE to feel might be the reason for things going wrong when they do.  Literally anything that has ever gone wrong could EASILY be coincidental and explained from the standpoint of human error - not some mystical issue that is perpetuated by those who DO believe it all to be true.  But certainly I didn't intend to step on toes - though I'm famous enough for that and usually run my mouth wherein that often occurs.  But you know what, at my age, I don't worry too much about that anymore.  I say what I think and if someone doesn't like it or agree with it....oh well!! One of the advantages of growing older - you don't really have to worry about what you say or what anyone thinks.LOL
 
Anyway I appreciate your comments.  Follow your own path.  Mine never had any issue arise from any supposed superstition violated.  But then I don't worry about that stuff - maybe it occurred, I just didn't care and could always explain it away as human error or failing.
 
TonyDi


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"Almost famous"


Posted By: MartyW
Date Posted: 11/25/08 at 8:53am

The "Wow... Glad I'm not in Tony's next..." was a tounge in cheek... I figure you are calling down the wrath of the theater gods...  lol.. I don't know THAT many folks who take them all seriously... but they are fun.  Kind of more like theater "tradition" than actual superstition... I don't mind those who don't believe....  I dont buy them all either. 

 
Now, we start making fun of our manditory Theater Ghost, and we got trouble!Wink


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Marty W

"Till next we trod the boards.."


Posted By: JoeMc
Date Posted: 11/25/08 at 9:21am
"Without our tradition, we'd be like a, like a fiddler on the roof!"

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[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound!
TOI TOI CHOOKAS
{may you always play to a full house!}


Posted By: chel
Date Posted: 1/04/09 at 10:31pm
"Break a leg" is still used in our theater.  My MIL wished me "Good luck" before my performance and my husband explained not to ever say that again.  Will something bad happen?  Well, let's just stick with the tradition, even if just the fun of it, can't hurt.
 
My newest good luck charm is to kiss the dimmer packs when I turn them on or off.  This was passed down to me from a stage manager that had been there when the old ones failed during a show, and they're not exactly in a convenient spot to flick on in a moment's notice.  So we treat the new ones with tenderness. 


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chel

www.windhamtheaterguild.org


Posted By: kaelidancer
Date Posted: 1/05/09 at 11:07am
I certainly do have my quirks once I'm inside a theatre; you'll never hear me utter the name of "The Scottish Play" or wishing someone good luck under its roof...

But my best superstition story comes from not from a community theatre, but from an actual professional gig a few years ago... I was on the running crew for a production of The Nutcracker.  We had two flashpots, for the transition to the battle scene, and when the Nutcracker becomes the prince.  Final dress, we fired the flashpot and all seemed to be well.  The scene changed, the christmas tree grew, and we flew the backdrop of the living room out to reveal the mouse king's battle set... a minute or so later, we hear over the headset from the flyrail:  "Um... guys?  This backdrop is on fire."  We stopped the show, lowered the drop, and extinguished it.  No open flame, but an ever-widening smoldering hole, and the flash pot was the clear culprit.

As we examined our flash powder, we saw that it had "Sparkle Additive"... we theorized that one of the sparkles landed on the drop (which was rather old and dry) and started to smolder.  We had no time to order new powder, so we resorted to filling spray bottles with water and making sure that backdrop was pretty well doused before we fired the first flashpot.  Next day, opening performance, it worked!  ...and then the second flash pot ignited a small fire in the fireplace (which is a good place for it to be, honestly).  Luckily it was struck soon after, and duly doused.

At this point we began to resort to theatrical sorcery to protect ourselves.  Aside from wetting the set, at the next performance we wrote "NO FIRE" on our two charges in silver sharpie.  And, poetically enough... they didn't fire at all.  Duds!  Sometimes sorcery is too literal.

At every subsequent performance, we silver-sharpied a more clear set of instructions, "BIG BOOM NO FIRE" on each and every charge, and every one performed as expected.   Big boom, no fire.

So, to this day, no flashpot is complete without a BIG BOOM NO FIRE command scripted on it... lest the curse of "The Firecracker" come back to haunt me!


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Kaeli Gardner
Johnson City Community Theatre
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