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    Posted: 10/29/07 at 3:40pm
Just looking for some moral support I guess. We open Wed. and last night one of the actors didn't show and didn't call. (This wasn't the first problem we'd had with him in this regard.) We had the option of having one of the other actors double up; we waited an hour and then had the other actor play the part. He says he can get the lines down. The cast and director want to replace the original actor because they don't trust him to be there. He finally returned my call this afternoon (I'm the producer) I had even called the hospital. I told him our decision and of course he was upset and arguing with me. He said he overslept, he was sorry and that he would be there for the show. I said that didn't matter at this point, I wasn't making a moral judgement but that he had missed an important rehearsal 72 hours before opening, the cast and crew didn't trust him to be there and that he was out of the show and that the decision had been made. He hung up on me at that point and has since left a message with the director. How would everyone else have handled this? We certainly have the right to replace him, don't we? Just feeling really lousy right now, I never had to do anything like this before.
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bullet Posted: 10/29/07 at 5:32pm
The same thing happened to me with my leading actor in a production of "Bus Stop" a few years ago.

I made my decision to grit my teeth and keep him - it's not easy to find a good-lookin' six-foot-tall cowboy who can act! Wink

But, had I replaced him, I would have felt completely justified - as should  you.
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bullet Posted: 10/29/07 at 5:49pm
You have my sympathy and empathy.  It is a very hard call to make.
 
I've had to let cast members go before (including a lead in one and a member of an ensemble cast of four in another).  Their problem wasn't absence of body, but absence of mind: they couldn't remember a line to save their lives, much less save the show.  The casts of both were happy to see them go and the shows went very well without them, but the decision-maker always has it rough (however I was the director in both of those instances and I feel that is where the responsibility and duty of dismissal should lie).
 
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bullet Posted: 10/29/07 at 9:28pm

Just from what you have written, I would have made the same decision.  Granted, mistakes happen, but the loss of credibility happened when he was contacted by you and then failed to return that call until the next day.  Cut your losses and hope that if he re-auditions he learns what being commited to a show is.

I do remember that an actor (who played various parts in a musical) over slept during a performance.  When he failed to show up for 7 o'clock call, we called him many times.  We finally had to do the first act without him trying to cover his parts as best as possible.  He finally arrived just before act II started. 
 
So don't sweat that you had to replace him.  I am sure that his excuse doesn't hold much weight. 
 
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bullet Posted: 10/29/07 at 11:05pm
You did the only thing left in the shows interest.
Just send a comp & a thankyou note, which might be better than have an actor scorned sutuation.
But I know I would have bounced him out as well!
He is only a warm prop, now if he was a techie - I may have been more considerate?
By you being worried enough for his welfare, by contacting the hospital. You have acted above & beyond your responsibility to him. Hopefully he might hitch his socks up in future  &  not just skive off, because he felt  sleepy, arr diddums the poor little  wally! Sleepy
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bullet Posted: 10/30/07 at 4:26pm
You bet you had the right to replace him.  In fact, you had the duty to do so, in the best interests of the show.   Since the cast and crew lost confidence in him, you really had no choice.  As Joe says above, "arr diddums the poor little wally!"  I don't really know what that means, but it sounds like what I'm thinking! LOL
 
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bullet Posted: 10/30/07 at 11:46pm
I gotta tell ya, folks, I'm very uncomfortable - always have been uncomfortable - with how quick so many community theatre people are with the ax!  I'm not so sure this guy should have been canned; it depends on many factors. 

I have a saying, "There are many reasons why community theatre actors can be fired; lack of talent is not one of them."  Too often, directors make casting mistakes and want to undo them.  Sorry.  The less talented individual you cast in that role should not be punished for your error.

On the surface, missing rehearsals on a regular basis is - or can be - one of the reasons to replace an actor.  But in this case in particular, it was stated there had been problems with the actor's attendance before.  If he had absentee problems in previous shows and this problem was known to the director (if it wasn't, it should have been), then this is a time when I would invoke the "you knew the risk, you cast him, now you deal with it".  But let's suppose that the problem only existed for this show; when the problem happened previously, was it discussed with him?  Was he given any warning that there would be such consequences if he continued missing rehearsals?  If he was "allowed" to get away with missing rehearsals and little to nothing discussed with him about it, I suggest that the right to replace him was forfeited. 

The fact of the matter is that you had a strategy in place in case he missed a show.  That was an important step to take.  With that in place, you had a "safety net" for the run of the show. 

So, I'm sorry if I didn't make you feel better about the decision that was made, but I do believe that replacing an actor is a draconian measure to take for any show - especially one that is within 72 hours of opening. 

But something else bothers me a bit about your story.  Why did you do the firing?  It seems to me if that was to happen, that ought to be part of the director's job - or at the very least, both you and director. 
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bullet Posted: 10/31/07 at 6:36am
I've never replaced an actor, but I have called in another actor to learn lines/blocking at a final dress rehearsal when an actor didn't show ... just in case.  (I don't cast understudies, but I always have someone in mind as an understudy in case someone gets sick or doesn't show.)
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bullet Posted: 10/31/07 at 9:21am
On the face of the post & situation of him over sleeping for so long, maybe he needs to visit a quack or cut down on burning the candle at both ends. Well at least think up a more plauseable excuse. As I doubt he was being honest about the situation.
I gather his phone was working or he could have at least got a call in to someone?
I assume from the post that it was obviously discussed betwen the director & producer, to have another actor double up & prepared to do the role.
I think I may have reconsidered if there was a genuine reason, like someone ran over his pet, his car broke down, or his 147th  cousin twice removed had just been gaoled & he went assurity in  orginising the bail.
I realise the most important & valued  reuseable resource in amdram are it's  people & that they should never be used 'n abused.
But being as hard as nails & twice as soft as wet clarts, I may have offered him another  place in the production, like handing out programmes or another task. Untill he proves him self to be responsible - much the same as I would catching a bod with thier hand in the till the first time.
But he would have lost his part unless he could show just cause.


 
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bullet Posted: 10/31/07 at 10:00am

In many CT's in our area, the Producer gets to be the heavy in cases like this, so that, to me, is not a problem...

Second, I'm betting this wasn't the first time this guy was late, missing or generally not present in mind... True?
 
That it waited to this close to opening is problematic at the least for you, your cast and crew.. But it CAN happen that late in the game and I have a couple of examples.
 
I had a lead, and I mean lead as in the show is almost all about him... He disapeared from the radar screen for three days! and this was about two weeks out on a major musical opening. (granted not as close as yours, but still) Come to find out, he had had a little run in with the local constabulary and was currently thier guest...  This wasn't his first "miss" for me and come to find out later (as is always the case) far from his first miss for others who had cast him.. I did what any good director would do.... PANIC... Not really, but we did turn the town over looking for him and put a couple of "senarios" in motion if we had to replace him (including using a guy a knew who had done the part the year before)  End of this story was, we did not have to replace him and it all came together (as it most often does) but the stress was a bit more than we needed.
 
The other case, I was the actor asked to step in.  We had just finished a run of "Arsenic and Old Lace" and a week later I got a call from a theater about 25 miles away that was a week and a half away from going up.  It seems thier Mortimer didn't know half of his lines and knew none of his blocking..  And as its a major role for show continuity and story progression, no other cast member had been able to fully develope thier character or pacing..  They asked if I would step in.  As I had just finished two months of rehearsal and eight performances I had Mortimer pretty well down.. So I said, what the heck yes..  Dangers: When I got there I discovered that thier set was completely opposite of ours. Thier Elaine took me by the arm and started leading me through the first scene.. After a while I stopped and asked the director had they really blocked the entire scene with the two characters arm in arm throughout.. It seems that the pervious mortimer was actually being led to his marks... in between his calls for "Line Damn it" pacing was extreemly slow..
The director for my first version is a stickler for pacing.  She likes things to move at almost a frantic pace. I lost 20 lbs just rehearsing for the part... Needless to say, when I started moving on my own and delivering the lines at speed and without the need of the prompter, things started really moving... three actors had to appologize for missing entrances, because they were use to having ten or twelve minutes more till thier next entrance with the old mortimer..  I asked the director if I could just observe the blocking of the other characters and attempt to engage or counter as I saw appropriate and that if I was off of what they wanted they could just tell me that rather than try and block me into every scene. They agreed and it worked out great... When it came to the moment when Mortimer walks across the stage to kiss Elaine, I found this not to be a chore because I thought she was quite attractive.  I took her in my arms as it had been blocked in the previous production and I kissed her... All of a sudden she pulled away yelling "wait a minute, Wait a minute..."  I stopped and looked at the director and asked, "What, he dosn't kiss her here?" Elaine said, "no it was fine, its just going to fast.." The directors smiled and said, "We have a show.."   I got a lot of enjoyment out of that production, not the least of which at the end of the show, Mortimer goes off to marry Elaine... Well my Elaine and I have just celebrated our 6th wedding anniversary and our 7th annaversary of that first kiss....
Not that ALL of that is germain, but I love a chance to tell that story..
 
Bottom line is, you did what was right for your production, never a reason to appoligize for that...
 
 
 
 
 
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