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bullet Posted: 11/01/06 at 6:41pm

It is really interesting reading other people's takes on double casting.  I haven't ever double cast, but as I stated in an earlier I've cast understudies for leads when I direct kid's shows.  That way someone is available to stand in for an "emergency".  And trust me - with directing kids - there are emergencies. It has also come in handy when a lead character is absent from a rehearsal.  Understudies came in handy as one lead came down with strep that last weekend of a performance, and another got laryngitis (had no singing voice at all).  It served my purpose, and I have had ZERO bad experiences with casting understudies.

Along the same topic, I have been involved with many shows who only have 2 shows (one weekend). I have been involved in just as many that only had 4 shows (two weekends).  In fact, our CT never does more than 2 weekends. I played Olive in female version of the Odd Couple and had 475 lines to learn, 2 months of rehearsals for 4 performances.

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bullet Posted: 11/01/06 at 7:00pm

THanks all... this has been tremendously helpful.

I have to say having had no experience on this forum - or any other for that matter - before this, I expected to maybe get one or two replies over the next couple weeks. This is actually been fun getting such a great response.

This is a wonderful resource... I'm hooked. There are soooo many other things I'm wondering about. I'll get around to asking your opinions, hopefully soon.

You know what Suzecue? you raise a good point in your recent post. If this show had just 4 performances, I don't think she'd have a problem doing just 4. It's about respect. She feels slighted. To her it's all about the adults not being double-cast. That's it in a nutshell.

We'll see how it works out. I asked her again this a.m. whether she wanted to tell the director she didn't want to be double-cast. Without hesitating, she said "yes". We shall see. I like to let her make her own decisions.

You guys rock.... this has been awesome.

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bullet Posted: 11/01/06 at 9:18pm
Please playback on how your daughter gets on, as I feel you & your daughter are part of the greenroom extenuated family.
I for one would like an update on any  outcomes & look forward to future postings.
I fondly recollect eons ago being actually tripled cast for a London production of a musical. However the show went on for 10 performances a week & ran for a number of years anyway,
I think I was about your daughters age at the time. Although each of our performance licence would only allowed a 3 months stint at a time. I did it a few times over a 2 year period. Which left me time to join up with the family for the summer seaside show seasons.
Honestly while it was great fun at times I didn?t know if I was Arthur or Maratha? Especially with the London City Council as it was the only town where you had to have a medical examination prior to performance. I missed out a few times with sniffles & what have you! All the other Councils through out England only bothered with wether or not I had adequate schooling, before I could renew my licences.
[Needless to say that?s why I?m as thick as a brick most  times!]
It stemmed from the Wilberforce Act a,k.a The Water Babies Act of the 1800?s. {"Eehup thee?s 11 noo, thur  t?be working down pit Lass"}
Actually I believe now in Britain they have finally got their collective back sides together & it all comes under one Act across the board. But each little local councils still get involved & have differing money grubbing arrangements as  usual!
I believe it is quite strict with the number of performance a child can do each week these days. So most of the pohmy theatre groups are forced into double casting their tin lids, especially when doing panto.
Here we don?t have these restrictions except under the child welfare act & those imposed by Equity & the Arts & Media Alliance Union.
Anyhow Tio Tio Tio Chookas for young Miss Ozark & I hope it all works out amicably & is able to write ?it? off as an experience, from the posts the young lady seems to have already got ?it? together!

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bullet Posted: 11/02/06 at 10:55am

If your child chooses not to take part in a production because she'd be double cast, then so be it.  I'm sorry if she feels that she's too good (take that to mean professional, mature, etc.) to be double cast, and if she elects to tell those casting the show where to get off after she was asked to audition, then that's her choice.  I invite children to audition all the time, but don't cast each and every one who shows up.

I agree with some of the others here in the forum in the point that shows don't last forever ... they end, we move on ... it's all about the experience while it's present! 

As a director, I've worked with children such as your own ... very talented, very dedicated, very mature for their age ... and they've chosen to find an agent and move on.  Good for them!  But, it's more often than not that those same professionals come back "home" when they find they're not the big fish in the pond once they move on to bigger and better things.  I have a former actor in Hollywood right now .... doing nothing "professional"!  I have another one who found an agent and disappeared for a while only to come back "home" after she was told by the big guys that she wasn't ready for Broadway ... yet!  Yet another one has been asked to leave company after company because she was getting a little too big for her britches. 

Let your daughter make her own decisions and see where it lands her.  Support her efforts, but be certain you're not influencing her with your own thoughts ... and be there to pick her up if she falls.  I wish her all the best, however, and hope to hear of her successes and failures here in the forum.

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bullet Posted: 11/02/06 at 11:30am

Hi Ozrks.

   I wish your daughter the best of luck. And keep us posted. You asked a question about how we would react to her politely saying that she wouldn't  accept the role if it were 'double-cast'.  I'm going to be the devil's advocate here and say if I were directing and I want to be honest, I would hesitate a bit in casting her.  I know her reasons and they are very valid and totally understandable.  I know that as a director if an actor is uncomfortable with playing a role for what ever reason, then I won't cast them.  I want my actors to be happy and I don't want the added worry of an actor's discomfort.  And by casting them in a role they are uncomfortable with I'm not being fair to them, myself and the rest of the cast.  Now having said that- I fear her actions may paint her as a 'prima dona' or 'difficult'.   I'm not saying she is. Not at all.  But you know how quickly people judge others based on a first impression and will the director reading her note know her reasons.  And a worry I would have would be 'how connected is this CT or others?'  Is it likely that if your daughter writes on the form not wanting to take the part if it's double cast could that word spread to the other theatre companies in your area. 

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bullet Posted: 11/02/06 at 1:32pm
I disagree.  Although, as I said earlier, I think being double-cast for a good role is still much better than not doing the role at all, and thus I disagree with your daughter, I would nonetheless advise her to be upfront with the director about her decision.  I don't think this would negatively impact her chances of being offered future roles in the community, because they ASKED her to audition- they obviously are already familiar with her work.

As a director, if someone auditions for me and has certain restrictions, if I haven't worked with them before, of course that will make me less likely to cast them, but if I have positive prior experience, I'll do my best to make it work, because I know they're valuable.  If I really find what they want to be unworkable, they may not get the job, but that in no way makes me slight them the next time they audition for me.  The only reasons I'll "blacklist" someone from future shows is if they're really difficult to work with (uppity during rehearsals, irresponsible) or quit after they've been cast.
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bullet Posted: 11/02/06 at 2:39pm
If this show had just 4 performances, I don't think she'd have a problem doing just 4. It's about respect. She feels slighted. To her it's all about the adults not being double-cast. That's it in a nutshell.



Ok, first of all I want to apologize if I came off snippy in my last reply, after reading your subsequent posts I think perhaps I got the wrong first impression of your attitude about this. However I have to say that I just don't see were your daughter is being disrespected. They invited her to audition, they didn't offer her the role. They aren't breaking any promises made that I can see, and if they did decide to double-cast the adults I doubt they would encounter this problem. JMO
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bullet Posted: 11/02/06 at 3:11pm

"Then cast the fat little blobs with no talent. Their grandmas will still gladly buy tickets and you can still pretend to do real theater."

I wish your daughter well in her career...apparently she never had to be in her first show and she will never get fat.

 

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bullet Posted: 11/02/06 at 3:31pm

First, let me say that I have never double cast a show in 30 years and have no intentions of doing so in the future. I have a hard enough time getting one cast together for a performance. I can't even imagine two. Anyway, I have read and reread the posts on this subject. The director and/or producers have the right to cast the show the way want: double cast / triple cast / quadruple cast if the feel like it. It's their choice. They have their reasons whether you agree with them or not.  I wouldn't expect the director to change his mind. I wouldn't even ask. If I changed my vision for casting, directing, or designing everytime someone thought I should do something differently, I'ld never get a show off the ground. I am sure that Ozark's daughter is very talented, and so may be the other child that they cast. There is lots of theater out there. Have fun with it.

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bullet Posted: 11/02/06 at 4:11pm
Exactly...have some fun with it...I'm sure that the poor fat talentless blob who gets cast with your daughter won't be having any fun or even having a positive experience in the theater.  Imagine if a friendship actually sprang up between the two girls....they helped each other with their performances...they improved...the girls had a laugh together about how they hate being double-cast?  Or just decline.....I agree with Linda...I wouldn't even ask the director to change his/her plan.
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