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    Posted: 7/22/06 at 9:11pm
Is it ok to drop a word of profanity if it is not essential to meaning of the line, the character and/or the scene? We have quite a few very talented actors that choose not to use profanity if they can help it.
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bullet Posted: 7/22/06 at 11:59pm

I wouldn't do it. Plays have been shut down because the language of the show was changed. Neil Simon's "Rumors" is a case in point. Check this link out. This company got closed before they opened.

http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=42106&nid=39&templat e=print

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bullet Posted: 7/23/06 at 12:42am

I recieved some flack (mainly from my  husband)for use the 'F-bomb' one time in my own playthat closed a week ago. 

    In the scene the lead character has gone over the edge and his use of the F word works so beautitully because it displays to the audinece just how far ovet the edge the character is.  I originally wanted to use the word when I wrote the play but I gave in to being "PC" so I changed the word to 'screwed' but it just didn't have the same impact.  It was my leading man, bless him. who convinced me to change it back.  I owe him big time for this one.  During one rehearsal he just stopped and said "I just can't do this without saying "F***" "- so we changed it. AND he was so right! AND we didn't get (at least,not that I'm aware of) one complaint about the use of the word becasue of the scene and the context in which it was said worked.

     I guess the lesson here to theatre companies- if you have an audience that is conservative and don't like profanity then stop choosing plays in which you need to change the language. Plays must be done as written. 

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 The swollen thumb rule that I use!
Is while the white pieces of the script are all mine, the black bits are the domain of the author/rights holder.
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bullet Posted: 7/23/06 at 7:42am

Hey Joe,

 



 

 The swollen thumb rule that I use!  Is while the white pieces of the script are all mine, the black bits are the domain of the author/rights holder

 

I love this.  Are these your own words of wisdom?

 

 

  

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bullet Posted: 7/23/06 at 11:13am
Originally posted by Playwright


 AND we didn't get (at least,not that I'm aware of) one complaint about the use of the word becasue of the scene and the context in which it was said worked.

Unfortunately, most people, when unhappy or dissatisified with something whether it be a play or a restaurant meal will not complain.  They will simply not return.  This is why when you do receive a complaint you must sincerly and honestly thank the person for bringing the situation to your attention.  I'm not suggesting, Playwright, that anyone was offended, just pointing out that you may not have heard about it.


     I guess the lesson here to theatre companies- if you have an audience that is conservative and don't like profanity then stop choosing plays in which you need to change the language. Plays must be done as written. 



I agree.  Difficult at times when the director has not picked the show, but has been chosen by a committee, some of whose members may not have even read the play at all.  (Had it out with board members a few years ago when I discovered that their script review consisted of reading Act I only!).  I directed a show a number of years ago which contained the "n" word.  I wracked my so-called brain for weeks prior to beginning rehearsals trying to find an alternate way to convey the author's feelings without using that particular word.  No luck.  Used the word.  Had at least one complaint.  Producer explained to the woman how it works with authors and their plays and their words and how they may not be changed.  Woman went away with a better understanding of theater and the process.  Don't know if she harbored any lasting resentment, but her concern was handled with respect.

Had a slightly different issue come up just last week as I was blocking my latest production.  My wife came into the room to here me utter the "s" word.  "What's the matter?"  "I think I need to cut a line."  "Why?"  "It doesn't make sense with the blocking."
Took me the better part of an hour, but I re-worked the blocking to make the line work.  Problem solved.  If Mr. Gurney should happen to come see our production, he'll hear every word.  (Except for the occasional dropped line )

Remember folks...the writer used that particular word for a particular reason. 
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bullet Posted: 7/23/06 at 1:13pm
Originally posted by Playwright



 

I love this.  Are these your own words of wisdom?

  



 Actually it is one I picked up from Gaafa!
Unfortunately he is ensconced back in his box.
It was something he picked up back in the 50?s from a certain famous pianist/muso he did a show with. Who although the muso composed a wrote a couple of hit & now classical Musicals. He had never been trained to actualy read or write music, so he would get a well known pit pianists, like Harry Hudson to transpose his music & write down the piano scores for him, that he composed.
Nearly every time Harry, would have a go at him for changing the black bits again, he had a standard joke of saying "The white bits are yours, leave the black bits to me!". So of course gaafa picked it up & applied it to authors & scripts.
Yes gaafa will probably try to take it as being originaly his idea, but we all now know the truth!

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bullet Posted: 7/23/06 at 1:55pm
My comment is not really about profanity but suggstive language. Our group faced a witch hunt when we staged Edward Albee's Three Tall Women". The membership voted for it based on its description then when they discovered there were suggestive bits in it they wanted to sit with the director and basiclly black out lines that couldn't be said. There is a funny story, for example, of a naked man presenting his wife with a beautiful ring offered to her from around his penis. The show went on as written after much distress and the ld ladies laughed at the telling of the "engored ring bearer" That lady has not directed since and she was good too.
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bullet Posted: 7/23/06 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by Oberon

The membership voted for it based on its description


As far as I'm concerned, any group that choses a show without actually READING the darned thing gets exactly what it deserves.  A hard lesson maybe, but would you buy a car or a house sight unseen?  Holy Cow! it's as bad as our play committee only reading Act I and deciding whether or not the play has merit!!  Just plain ignorant and lazy. 
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bullet Posted: 7/23/06 at 9:45pm
Originally posted by Linda S

I wouldn't do it. Plays have been shut down because the language of the show was changed. Neil Simon's "Rumors" is a case in point. Check this link out. This company got closed before they opened.

http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=42106&nid=39&templat e=print

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Based on my experience with actors in community theater, if Neil Simon tried to shut down every production that wasn't doing his plays exactly as written his lawyers would be very, very busy:)
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