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Topic: Umbrella Gun
Posted By: Joan54
Subject: Umbrella Gun
Date Posted: 10/03/05 at 9:15am

My theater company is beginning production on "Who"s Afraid of Virginia Woolf"  and the actors are clamouring for a gun that shoots an umbrella...not just "a gun" but a rifle...I always thought that I could make anything but this one has me baffled....does anyone know where I could buy such an item?



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Posted By: Shatcher
Date Posted: 10/03/05 at 1:34pm
try a magic shop they may have one that shoots a little flag that says bang. maybe you can alter that


Posted By: Joan54
Date Posted: 10/03/05 at 2:47pm
Thanks....I have tried all the local costume and magic shops and even looked on line...it seems that guns aren't as funny as they used to be and no one is stocking them...anyways  I'll keep looking

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"behind a thin wall of logic panic is waiting to stampede"


Posted By: emro
Date Posted: 10/03/05 at 4:11pm
I have found inexpensive BANG guns online at Magic Makers and Clown Antics:

http://www.clownantics.com/sillystuff.shtml

http://www.magicmakers.com/retail/clown%20stuff/bangguns.h tml

I can't of anything to do but alter them somehow.  I don't think you'll be able to find exactly what you're looking for, but improvising is what makes theater's a challenge! Good Luck!


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Cucumber sandwiches? Watercress sandwiches? The whole scene would stand or fall on his ultimate decision. -- Instant Lives & More: Oscar Wilde


Posted By: Topper
Date Posted: 10/03/05 at 6:38pm
Have you considered modifying an air gun (BB or
pellet shooter)?

I would extend the barrel by gaff taping a similar
sized PVC pipe painted to match the existing barrel.

Inside this extension would be a paper umbrella
secured by a short string (to prevent it flying out of the
barrel entirely).

Theoretically (as I have never actually built one), the
force of the pressurized air should be enough to fire
the umbrella and open it at the same time.

Worth a go, eh?

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"None of us really grow up. All we ever do is learn how to behave in public." -- Keith Johnstone


Posted By: Tom_Rylex
Date Posted: 10/03/05 at 7:03pm
If the umbrella doesn't actually need to fire across the stage, a modification of Topper's idea would work here...

I've made a novelty gun before that fired beanie dobermans (long story). Anyway, your base gun could be a piece of PVC (painted black) bolted to some sort of rifle butt (I cut one off of a color guard gun that I had lying around). Inside, you could mount one of those spring loaded, compact collapsible umbrellas. I'm thinking about the kind that extend, then open up. Someone clever in your group can figure out the best way to trigger the umbrella while it's mounted in the gun.

There is a way to modify this design to actually fire the umbrella across the stage (it should slow down rapidly when it opens), but I couldn't recommend it unless I tried it first. Even then, I couldn't vouch for its safety. Projectiles can be a dangerous thing.

Safety caveat: Use safety rules like it's a real gun! While this could be an amusing visual effect, you don't want someone looking straight down the barrel, or right next to it when it gets fired. Test it before it's used on stage.

-Tom


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The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
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Posted By: Joan54
Date Posted: 10/04/05 at 7:57am
Thank-you all..what good ideas.  I hadn't thought of putting PVC on a gun stock...that solves the problem of getting an umbrella in a barrel.  I will see if I can get it to work.  The umbrella does not have to shoot across the stage.....just open.  I think the air gun idea is great but a little too technical for me ( the simpler the prop the less likely it will fail) so may be there is a way to trigger the umbrella with a shock cord or heavy elastic band instead.  Thanks again..I'll keep you posted.

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"behind a thin wall of logic panic is waiting to stampede"


Posted By: Joan54
Date Posted: 10/05/05 at 2:27pm

I found an "umbrella gun" at Jauchem & Meeh Special Effects in Brooklyn, NY.  It is perfect.....a rifle that shoots a big umbrella.  Don't have the price yet but at least it is available.



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"behind a thin wall of logic panic is waiting to stampede"


Posted By: Tjelvar
Date Posted: 4/11/06 at 7:58am
We recently repaired an umbrella gun for our production that closed a couple months ago, I have a good description I made of each part, and a very good understanding of how to make it.  The only parts that need to be custom ordered are the springs, and maybe the umbrella.  It will be a lot cheaper to build than to rent/buy, unless you get a deal to repair one like we did.


Posted By: Joan54
Date Posted: 4/11/06 at 11:23am
Thanks for getting back to me.  The show wrapped about ten days ago.  It was reasonably successful given the subject matter.  We eventually bought a toy gun that said "Bang" and a toy rifle and with some cutting and gluing put the two together.  It worked...not great but enough to pass.  Only one of the actors was pouting about it.  We did find a company in New York city that rents a real Umbrella Gun but they wanted a huge deposit that none of us were willing to gamble (even the sulking actor).  I would still like to hear your description of how to make one, Tjelvar, in case we ever have to do this ( dreadful, depressing, repulsive) play again.

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"behind a thin wall of logic panic is waiting to stampede"


Posted By: Tjelvar
Date Posted: 7/01/06 at 6:08pm
Okay, so here's the basics.  You need a wooden stock with a half-moon cut in it to recieve the barrel.  There needs to be a slit up into the halfmoon for the trigger mechanism.  It is a simple level, lift up, and it pivits the other part down, releasing the catch, to be explained later.  On this goes a piece of pipe, maybe 3/4" id.  at one end drill 2 holes across from each other for a pin.  the base of this pipe must have a slit to accept the trigger mechanism.  Find a parasol.  At the end of it, keeping the original spring part in, put a wooden block, the size of a cork or so on it.  The trigger release will grab the wooden block, and hold it down.  On the back end of the block put a chain on, that extends just enough from the pin holes in the barrel to allow the parasol to open.  feed the chain through a spring of the correct length/compression to project the parasol, and attach the other end on the pin.  Attach the barrel to the stock in a variety of ways, and have fun  :->


Posted By: Joan54
Date Posted: 7/05/06 at 7:39am
Thanks...I'll give it a try if I need something like that in the future.  Right now I'm trying to make lutes for "Taming of the Shrew"..and one of them needs to break over an actors head.....well I've got two bamboo vegetable steamers and.......as you said...I'm having fun.

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"behind a thin wall of logic panic is waiting to stampede"


Posted By: Topper
Date Posted: 7/05/06 at 3:51pm

In Regards to the breakable lute:

I'm sure you're aware, but I feel obliged to remind everyone reading these posts to use EXTRA precaution when building "breakaway" props.

While the human skull might be fairly resilient, remember that the human neck, spine and surrounding muscles supporting said skull are easily prone to injury.  Even a glancing blow with a prop that does not give way can result in serious harm. 

Likewise, the human ear and eye are especially vulnerable and even the best-trained actor in the enthusiasm of performance could mis-cue his attack and create disastrous results.

Personally, I would abandon anything pre-built (such as the bamboo steamers).  Such objects are typically designed to handle casual or severe misuse.  Building from scratch is your best option, keeping an eye toward creating a prop that is physically as flimsy as possible without crumbling in one's hands.

To this end, I recommond papier mache as the strongest contender for the bowl-shape of the lute.  If you're concerned about the breakage showing signs of fakery, then use brown wrapping paper sliced into strips instead of newspaper.  This will resemble wood more readily.  Likewise, for the neck and face of the instrument, please don't use actual wood, but corrugated cardboard from packing boxes.

Ideally, the finished prop will have little or no weight whatsoever, and it will be up to the performers to convey the impact and heft of the piece.

Best of luck, and as always, safety first!



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"None of us really grow up. All we ever do is learn how to behave in public." -- Keith Johnstone


Posted By: Joan54
Date Posted: 7/06/06 at 2:10pm
Oh I quite agree....in fact what we are doing is using two "lutes".  One will be rather sturdy and can actually ( hopefully) be strummed.  The smashing takes place off stage and the actor comes back on stage with a "lute" on his head which is actually a hat I have made out of fabric and stiffners.  It is soft and safe.  I have also made a roast pig that has legs that rip off ( with velcro) so that Petruchio can have a great food fight  with his servants.  The pig is made from construction foam and is wrapped in padding and cloth.  I gave it some durability and shine to the skin by covering it with latex painters caulking before I painted it.  Once again...it is quite safe...rather like a big soft pillow.  Hopefully the lute project will work out as well as the pig.....

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"behind a thin wall of logic panic is waiting to stampede"


Posted By: B-M-D
Date Posted: 7/19/06 at 12:57am

Originally posted by Joan54

in case we ever have to do this ( dreadful, depressing, repulsive) play again.

Dreadful, depressing, repulsive is how you describe one of the best pieces of American drama ever?    Actors wait a lifetime to play the roles in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf.  It has been a staple of English, drama and theatre classes for about 40 years.  I suppose we should be thankful that you were at least moved by it enough to characterize as you did. 

I don't mean to sound like some theatre snob but this play has the kind of visceral effect that good drama ought to have.   It's a timeless piece and without it alot of contemporary plays would not have happened.    I can't wait until my ct has the good sense to mount a production of it.

 



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BD

"Dying is easy, comedy is hard."


Posted By: Joan54
Date Posted: 7/19/06 at 8:24am

Yeah, yeah...I know.  I'm not doubting that it is "one of the best pieces of American Drama ever" but having to listen to that play (we started rehearsals at my house) night after night was awful.  I felt like George and Martha came to see me every night.  I actually apologized to my upstairs neighbors so that they would understand that this was a play going on downstairs...not me having bitter nasty fights with some man.  I would go in the other room and sew or into my bedroom and watch TV and then the actors and director would be insulted..like I could listen to this venom every day and ENJOY it.  To make matters worse our "Martha" never got out of character.  She found bitchy nasty things to say to me and the other people involved every night..started fights, spread rumors...told me what to do in my own house and craved attention every second of her existence.  We all hated her long before the curtain went up.  Finally I asked them to find another rehearsal space.  I felt like I was being "non supportive" and was guilty about it but this theater we have is a joy to me and this play was tearing it apart.  Finally I worked only with the director and built the set....ignored rehearsal completely.

Go ahead and stage this play if you have actors who can tackle it but be prepared...we had very good reviews but very small audiences...seems that no one else wanted to listen to George and Martha either.  We lost sackfulls of money. 



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Posted By: Shatcher
Date Posted: 7/19/06 at 10:15am

Joan54,

I must say I for one am on your side! Can't stand the play either. We don't have to love every classic. there are plently of theatre folk out there to keep this play alive. We need not add ourselve to the Misery

Life is too short to do shows that you don't like. this is even more true when you do it all for free.



Posted By: Joan54
Date Posted: 7/19/06 at 11:29am
I couldn't agree more....now that we are working on Taming of the Shrew all of our energy levels are back.....If I'm not getting paid ( and actually losing money) I prefer to like the play.

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Posted By: B-M-D
Date Posted: 7/19/06 at 12:42pm

I guess doing Virginia Woolf in your living room could be pretty disturbing to the neighbors or a testiment as to how well the actors were playing their roles.

I agree that the play doesn't suite everyone's taste but boy does it get to an emotional core that some other plays only wish they could get to.   It's not an easy ride to take and I can certainly understand how you felt at the end of it, being exposed to it night after night.   And having a Martha that couldn't turn if off when the curtain went down could only have exacerbated the experience for you.

Sorry to hear that your ct lost money on it.   That's also part of the fear of doing it at our ct, that it will alienate subscribers and our other regular patrons.  Fortunately we haven't been reduced to doing just Neil Simon (who has been very, very good to me for roles) and murder mysteries.   In 20 years we've never lost money on a show no matter what it's been.   Some not so much as others but we haven't had losing a show or season in quite some time.

Good luck with Taming of the Shrew!    It's another show I'd wish we'd do if only we could get over our fear of Shakespeare but that's a discussion for another topic. 



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BD

"Dying is easy, comedy is hard."


Posted By: Joan54
Date Posted: 7/19/06 at 2:56pm

When we formed our little company ( my son and his friend) we wanted to do Shakespeare but also allowed for other plays ( like Virginia Woolf) that "regular" community theater usually pass by.  We would like to be a "for profit" company but so far all we have done is break even or lose money.  We know that it will take a while to create an audience in our community and we are working hard at it... a comedy and a tragedy each season and lots of small scenes at fund raisers.  The main thing is that if we wanted to make money we wouldn't have started a theater...you're a fool if you think it is going to make you any money.  It makes us rich in other ways...we're doing what we want, the way we want to do it and that, as they say, is priceless.

Go ahead and talk them into doing Shrew....we're having a lot of fun with it....very slapstick..lots of food-fights and kissing and physical comedy and we're still laughing two weeks before opening even though the pressure is on.....



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"behind a thin wall of logic panic is waiting to stampede"



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