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bullet Posted: 7/27/10 at 3:46pm
An old actor said this the other day:

There are three kinds of actors:

1) A professional actor who tries to do whatever they are told because they're getting paid and/or have professional pride.

2) A college actor who tries to do whatever they are told because they want a good grade.

3) A community theater actor who says "I don't think my character would do  that."

There is sometimes some truth in that, unfortunately.

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Originally posted by direct-errr

Here's another question.  How do you get respect from actors and other people when you don't have experience directing?  I was asked to Direct this play by my partner who wrote it.  I'm not a nobody because I have experience in this industry and have been in a film with an Oscar winning actress as well as performed Off-Broadway for six months recently and am a member of a legendary theatre company in New York City.  Even though I am not in NYC now and have taken a different route... Do I emphasize that I may not have Directing experience, but I know this industry and what it takes? Also, I directed something small before so I understand it and I was obviously asked to do this so someone sees something in me.  I just don't want people to think just because my partner wrote this that she is doing me a favor by letting me direct it.  


Maybe it's too late to say this and only this but it sounds like:

A) You HAVE directed something before.
B) You've performed off Broadway
C) You're a member of the famous XYZ theater company in NYC.

Seems like that should be more than enough to qualify you for this particular gig. It doesn't matter who picked you for the job.

There are apparently people with far skimpier resumes than that passing themselves off as experienced directors.

I wouldn't emphasize or even mention a lack of experience as that only opens the door for the lack of respect issue you brought up.

Just my two cents.

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bullet Posted: 7/28/10 at 10:32am
While I've never been near Broadway, twenty years in community
theatre (mostly acting and some board stints) and nearly a couple
dozen directorial efforts may not be "skimpy."  In that time I spent
almost a decade as a high school soccer coach in which it seems  every
decision I made was questioned by someone (often vociferously).
 
Direct-err,
My main reason for urging you to consider the actor's viewpoint is
the unique nature of your production: an original play.
Some of my own efforts have been scripts I've written and I've
enjoyed the collaborative effort in transforming my words from
the page to the stage. I haven't always taken the advice given
but sometimes valid points are made and corrections needed.
If you intend, as you said, to take this script further, I feel
those opinions should be considered even if not accepted.
 
My apologies if I've hurt anyone's feelings with my bluntness,
but my post was a version of the "buck up and get it done"
speech I have often had to give myself.
 
I do wish you the best
and hope you let us know how the play progresses.
 
-DW-


Edited by DWolfman - 7/28/10 at 10:45am
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Originally posted by DWolfman

While I've never been near Broadway, twenty years in community
theatre (mostly acting and some board stints) and nearly a couple
dozen directorial efforts may not be "skimpy."


Just for the record, I certainly wasn't referring to you with the "skimpy" remark and I wasn't offended by anything you said.


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bullet Posted: 7/29/10 at 10:08pm

I appreciate the clarification.

And I second your statement that it shouldn't matter
how the director's job was filled.
Wish I'd thought to say that.
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bullet Posted: 9/04/10 at 10:22pm
Originally posted by jayzehr


Maybe it's too late to say this and only this but it sounds like:

A) You HAVE directed something before.
B) You've performed off Broadway
C) You're a member of the famous XYZ theater company in NYC.

Seems like that should be more than enough to qualify you for this particular gig. It doesn't matter who picked you for the job.

There are apparently people with far skimpier resumes than that passing themselves off as experienced directors.

I wouldn't emphasize or even mention a lack of experience as that only opens the door for the lack of respect issue you brought up.

Just my two cents.

Good luck.


Thank you & yes I have learned to take more pride in my experience & going through this process has helped me learn that I actually do have a talent for this & I really am enjoying it.  It's all a learning experience and a work in progress. 

P.s. I liked the 3 points you wrote above also & I do see the truth in that! Clap
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bullet Posted: 9/04/10 at 10:27pm
Originally posted by DWolfman

While I've never been near Broadway, twenty years in community
theatre (mostly acting and some board stints) and nearly a couple
dozen directorial efforts may not be "skimpy."  In that time I spent
almost a decade as a high school soccer coach in which it seems  every
decision I made was questioned by someone (often vociferously).
 
Direct-err,
My main reason for urging you to consider the actor's viewpoint is
the unique nature of your production: an original play.
Some of my own efforts have been scripts I've written and I've
enjoyed the collaborative effort in transforming my words from
the page to the stage. I haven't always taken the advice given
but sometimes valid points are made and corrections needed.
If you intend, as you said, to take this script further, I feel
those opinions should be considered even if not accepted.
 
My apologies if I've hurt anyone's feelings with my bluntness,
but my post was a version of the "buck up and get it done"
speech I have often had to give myself.
 
I do wish you the best
and hope you let us know how the play progresses.
 
-DW-


You haven't offended me & you have a good point there.  I am always looking for ways to learn from my experience!  Thank you!

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bullet Posted: 9/04/10 at 10:28pm

Update: I did let that actor go.  She pulled something the night before the staged reading saying that she didn't know it was at 2pm & she thought it was 4pm.  I had the understudy on call & she was there & it turned out the understudy was exactly what we needed.. she was one of the best performances that night!

Things are slow right now, but we are deciding where to go with it next.  We have a performance coming up at a University and are planning to tour it around U.S. College's & Universities since it has such social & political topics. 

My partner has decided she doesn't want to go into this full-time and a lot of times I feel like the upward battle is with her more than anyone else.  Some days she wants to give up all together & I have to convince her to let me continue pushing it forward.  Things unfortunately don't happen overnight in this industry as we all know.

We are both students, so this semester we have decided to put the play on hold or slow down with it a bit while we attend college full-time.  Next semester I plan to do online classes so I can tour with the cast.  It's all exciting, but definitely a huge challenge.  I'm happy that I'm taking a directing class at my University right now. I'm learning a lot.
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