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    Posted: 9/14/07 at 2:43pm
I think that was posted before but I can't find it, so i'll ask again...
 
we are building some pieces in which we want to use styrofoam for our visible surface. 
What type of styrofoam exactly do you use?  How thick? 
How big a sheet do they come in? 
Can you attach them to vertical studs or do they have to be to a full, flat surface like plywood or luann?
Are there special devices to cut them to get curved surfaces?  thanks for any advice you can give.
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bullet Posted: 9/14/07 at 6:48pm
I'd rather act, but they found out I can do tech & sets!!
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bullet Posted: 9/17/07 at 10:56am
That was the original thread, yes - thanks.

But a new question - how thick are the styrofoam sheets?  The ones I've looked up seem to be no more than an inch thick.  Also, are the sheets maleable?  Can we curve them around a frame?  And does the frame have to be a full flat surface or will vertical studs suffice?

If you can answer any of these, that would be a great help.

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bullet Posted: 9/17/07 at 9:52pm
They come in various thicjness to complete blocks.
I think it would depend on how thin the sheet is for bendability.
I'm not sure if on the previous posts, it mentioned the foam as being a fire hazard or not?
But I think it was Joan who mentioned that it is an aceptable building product, if it is covered with fabric, Jesso style!
Also the fabric like muslin/calico lends it's self to having fire retardant applied.
there are also a number of sealants on the market, which are also fire retardant:-
 
http://www.businessmagnet.co.uk/product/fireretardantsealant.htm
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bullet Posted: 9/23/07 at 9:04am
First a warning.  If you use white styrofoam, be careful of where you place it.  If it gets kicked and part comes off, you get a white spot on your stage.
 
Second, you can cut it with knives, hot knives and a hot wire.
 
You need ventilation for your safety when cutting with heat.
 
For wall molding I used a hot wire technique.  You find a soldering gun (not soldering iron).  The guns have a wire type tip that conducts the heat.  You replace the wire tip with any shape you want to cut, turn it on.  With a jig to keep the foam sheet running at a even pace you feed the sheet in to melt it to shape.
 
You can also carve free form with serated knives, and do detail work with heated knives (heat the knives on a 5th burner that you intend to scrap afterwards--because it will be covered with a plastic residue.  The knives will be scrap afterwards too.)
 
For a carved 3-d surface, like gargoyles for the witch's castle in OZ, you build a plywood surface to creat most of the 3-d effect.  You glue thick 4" sheet s of the foam to the surface and cut with knives to get the biggest sections off.  Then you can either paint the surface, or rag it.  You rag it if it will see wear and tear--like carousel horses that actors ride on.  Ragging is adding strips of fabric soaked in glue to the surface.  Then you paint it.
 
The best styrofoam is thick, dense blue blocks.  Which are more kick resistant, and hang together better.  You can buy them at Lowes, Home Depot, etc.. where they are used for insulation.  You can buy 4" x 4' x 8' sheets, or if you only need thin sheets you can buy 1/4" x 4' x 50' folded accordion style.
 
The thin can be bent, but not the thick.
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bullet Posted: 9/23/07 at 3:32pm
We covered a plywood fireplace form with 1 inch styro sheets that we salvaged from a door and window shop (they were used as packing insulation) and then carved (ok, gouged is a better description) the shape of stones into it and then melted the carved areas with a heat gun - just enough to soften the edges.  Then we painted it and sponged some high/low lights.  It sounds very work intensive, but it really wasnt.  and we ended up with a gorgeous stone fireplace for our production of Cinderella.  (We painted the stones in tones of pink, purple and grey, it was great!)
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bullet Posted: 9/23/07 at 11:09pm
  


 I'm too scared to use the stuff on stage, the alernatives may take a little longer, but worth the effort.
I can't get rid of the stuff quick enough in any theatre I'm in.
even when it is covered enabiling the it to be contained in a fire retardant over coat.
For the life of me I can't see the reasoning why they akkow it as building materail.
Yes I can - for what more important reason is there - money!
there again look around any house or office it is stuffed with it.
In theatre we go out of our way usualy, to ensure there is no possibilty of fire being started & some even go thru fire drills & the like regularly to know what to do, if & when it might happen.
yet we muck about with a petrol product, which is one fires greatest fuel - Thick or what!
Ut is not the fact it  perpetuates it's own flame. as much as the toxic smoke that does the killing.
I know I'm off again on another tangent!
But I feel we become complacent & reassured thru any risk asessmnets that might be carried out & it is used on heaps of other productions. So it must be alright!
I'm trying to knock anyone & those that use it. It is a great inovative product for stage sets/props & what did we ever do before it came along?
But that's all another story!
there was a bit of a wake up call in 2003, sure it was started with sparks from a pyro effect, handled badly. But if the venue had not used foam to cut down the niose of the rock'nroll bands & head bangers. As an upstage decorative wall covering & yes had adaquate exits. A disaster could have been avioded;-
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Station_nightclub_fire

I'd suggest beyond the victims being trampled in the panic, all would have died from toxic fumes, smoke long before being burnt up.
I think the average bod has only about 90 seconds, when being over taken by smoke, before they peg out completly.
Even with fire retardant used, that all it does, retards the flames, not the smoke.
It's something to consider in stage work at all times.
Invarabily flames/smoke head up ito the cieling & Fly area first. If it is contained within the space, smoke especialy can travel as fast as a speeding bullet, along the cieling seeking areas to escape into the atmosphere.
This is why large exhauste fans on the roof, above the stage these days, are the recomended method used, to suck out the smoke & almost everthing else not screwed down from the stage area.
Fire supression systems, don't stop the smoke, only attempt to control & contain the fire.
Which brought about the advent of the  "fire Curtain' [aka Iron] being used on stage, because of the fire in the Theatre Royal Exeter back in the 1880's.
Remember it only takes a spark?
Alright I'll get off the bike, hadm'gob,  have a cuppa, a smoke & a good lie down!Wink


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bullet Posted: 9/24/07 at 3:28am
Wow.  I'm kind of sickened by the danger we inadvertantly put our cast, crew, and audience in.  Thank you, Joe, for the reminder.  It's not a mistake I plan to make again.
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bullet Posted: 9/24/07 at 10:44am
Dont be afraid to use syrofoam.  It does not have to be burt to work or look nice.  We use two inch thick blue styrofoam isulation sheets 2"x 4'x8'.  After marking out your design on the sheet try using wire brushes to carve out between your blocks.  I created an entire fieldstone barn and may fireplaces and stone walls with this stuff.  You can also buy wire wheels that attach to a drill gun to make the work quicker.  Once carved and painted you get a wonderful faux wall that looks just great and is light enough to be moved easily.  We either attache the sheets to a 2"x2" frame or screw directly onto flats. 
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bullet Posted: 9/24/07 at 1:52pm
I think I'm equally worried about just having it onstage/backstage at all.  I try to be very safety conscious about what could pose a danger and knowing how volatile and toxic styro is, I am concerned about it being onstage in the (god forbid) event of a fire.  A fire is bad enough, but killing people with toxic fumes I could have prevented.  Really bad.  I don't use synthetic-in-the-event-of-a-fire-will-release-cyanide-fumes bedding in my home for the same reasons.  I don't know.  I need to do some research about this.
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