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bullet Posted: 9/13/06 at 11:03am
 I have never done it myself! But I heard of a number of directors who have put the names of those cast, on their answering machine & advised  everyone to ring at a predetermined time. Or just placed the cast list on their website.
Which might be a good idea, only I think I prefer to ring everyone personally, who took the time to front up & audition.
Also follow up for the no's with a standard letter & include comps for for the production.

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bullet Posted: 9/13/06 at 11:41am

Originally posted by Gaafa


Also follow up for the no's with a standard letter & include comps for for the production.

That's the greatest idea I've ever heard!

Until I moved here, it never occured to me that any community theatre director would NOT call the people who weren't cast.  They only call the "yesses" here, and it drives me nuts, particularly since casts aren't posted for weeks (not the greatest webmasters in the world, I imagine).

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bullet Posted: 9/13/06 at 2:24pm

I don't really have a lot to add beyond MY experiences in the last 20 years - but I DO have to agree on one hand with TristenRobin that in professional theater - you don't get called if you don't make the cut.  Simply put, if you WANT to try to run your theater as professionally as that, there is NO need to call everyone who auditioned.  If you're trying to give the impression, even in community theater, that you're a professional organization, then as many others have said, it goes with the territory.  You audition, you get called back or you don't, and you get CAST or you don't.  Simple as that.  I never needed to be called when I auditioned.  I simply was told at the outset that people would be contacted if they are cast. When the calls didn't come, I figured it out.  NO animosity, no regrets, nature of the beast.

ENTER THE INTERNET - thankfully that in many ways these days, takes care of a LOT of things.  A cast list gets posted on a website, actors check there for the list.  Those who MAKE IT ARE contacted personally to let them know details.  Those who don't read it and weep.  TOO traumatic to be the harbinger of bad news much less to recieve it by phone with whatever apologies are dished out in an attempt to make you feel better about losing out.  Sadly there are some who lose out who THINK they SHOULD HAVE gotten the role -whether they were good enough or not.  I make lists.  I've learned in my community who is who and what is what with most of the people I've worked with or directed or whatever.  I refer to the list often when directing/auditioning people.

There may have been mention - though I don't think I've seen it in most of the posts here - that if you set the parameters at the outset (auditions) then there is no question about how it is to be handled.  Doesn't mean you won't have people call you and ask you why they weren't cast after the fact but this helps preclude the problem.  My pat phrase to ALL auditioner AT AUDITIONS is this...."First of all thank you to all people who are auditioning.  However, there are only so many roles in this show.  Some will make it, some will not.  It is neither a reflection on your talent nor your willingness to be involved. It's simply my decision based upon MY needs and my concept for this particular production.  I encourage everyone to avail themselves of all the community productions going on and continue to audition for things you might want to be involved with."  END OF PHRASE.  It's NEVER failed me yet.  I never do call backs anymore either.  If after all these years I'm not good enough to figure out what I want when I see it- the first time around - then I need to quit doing it.  LUCKILY I've been blessed by whatever theater gods there are to usually always pick the right people and have enjoyed mostly successes with shows I've worked on.  NOT out of anything I do - save have the time and experience in at doing it - but to be smiled upon by someone watching over what I do in theater.  And THAT is my luck so far.

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bullet Posted: 9/14/06 at 9:27am
When we still had our building, our community theater used to just post a cast list on the door of the theater the day after auditions.  Since then, I have been calling everyone who auditioned but I do find it very difficult. For our most recent play, the director emailed the cast list to everyone. I have to say that as an actor, I would rather not have to talk with someone on the phone when I didn't get a part.  As a director, I don't like being in the position of having to defend casting choices. You wind up lying to keep from hurting people's feelings. I find it awkward all the way around. However, it is a volunteer community organization and I guess it is good to maintain positive relations with interested people.
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bullet Posted: 9/14/06 at 9:35am

Originally posted by TonyDi

Simply put, if you WANT to try to run your theater as professionally as that, there is NO need to call everyone who auditioned.  If you're trying to give the impression, even in community theater, that you're a professional organization, then as many others have said, it goes with the territory.  You audition, you get called back or you don't, and you get CAST or you don't. 

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A cast list gets posted on a website, actors check there for the list.  Those who MAKE IT ARE contacted personally to let them know details.  Those who don't read it and weep.  TOO traumatic to be the harbinger of bad news much less to recieve it by phone with whatever apologies are dished out in an attempt to make you feel better about losing out.  Sadly there are some who lose out who THINK they SHOULD HAVE gotten the role -whether they were good enough or not. 

I was really on the fence on this whole issue until I read this.

I'm sure TonyDi didn't mean it this way, but this post (to me) gives off such an impression of arrogance and "I've done professional theatre and if you disagree with me you're unprofessional", that should I ever be lucky enough to direct again, I'm definitely calling everyone who auditions, just so that I don't come off that way.

Again, I'm sure it wasn't meant that way.  I'm just talking about the impression people get from phrases like "read it and weep" and "trying to give the impression that you're a professional organization."

The root meaning of "amateur" is "one who loves."

The root meaning of "professional" is "one who makes a public declaration."

I'm an amateur.

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bullet Posted: 9/14/06 at 1:31pm
To me the only difference between an Amateur & a Pro, is the almighty dollar!
Unfortunately in a lot of ways we in ameatre, excuse the attitude to use & abuse, as being of a professional aptitude. With the greatest reusable resource we have, that being people!
I have seen this time & again over the years, both in community & pro theatre.  The CT?s will offer more respect to those who are paid, while the PT?s afford little to those who are not!
So to spend the time contacting personally those who have auditioned for a production, so be it! Because I believe, isn?t this what we are about? The people not for the brass!

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bullet Posted: 9/14/06 at 4:09pm

Well POB if I had NOT been on both sides of the fence - as director AND as one of those poor folks who was summarily REJECTED I could never speak to the issue.  But I am neither arrogant nor mean spirited.  It's simply a matter of what a community theater company wants to present themselves as.  Those who tout being run "professionally" - most of those I've ever come across don't require all actors who don't make the cut to be contacted.  It varies so widely from company to company I've worked for, that I have had to formulate my OWN personal opinions and devise my own processes for casting and/or contacting people who audition.  That's all.  I've been on both sides of this issue too, working FOR professional companies as well as (mostly) community theater organizations and EVERY ONE I've ever worked for did it differently and required different approaches.  I don't come on here to be called arrogant.  It's simply a matter of experience and if that's what makes me arrogant, professional or amateur - well I can't help that.  It is what it is.

I don't recall making any indication of the fact that ANYONE needs to agree with me at all.  I consider myself neither amateur nor professional.  Those to me are empty terms designed to exclude or include, by a lot of theater people I've run up against in my nearly 50 years of doing theater (there I guess I'm showing off now).  I was stating an opinion - not forcing anyone to accept it.  By the way the "read it and weep" phrase was not intended to be harsh - beyond it actually BEING the harsh reality of what it is in community theater and professinal theater alike...not to intimate that I'm that cold and heartless.  But as I said, being the harbinger of bad news to someone who really might have wanted to do a show and loses the role to someone else - is not what I really ever enjoy - and I've done it but didn't like it.  What else do you call it?  The auditioners don't want to hear bad news and I don't want to deliver it...so I don't.

You know I thought perhaps I could contribute on this forum but I didn't realize the expression of opinions based on experience was going to offend someone who thinks that just because someone MIGHT have more experience than them, that would qualify them automatically as arrogant.  I can leave as easily as I came, if you'd like and find someplace else to be.  Actually I have numerous other places where I certainly was made more welcome than this.  However I thought this was the best thing I could find like this.  Alas, another mistake perhaps?  We'll see.  Thanks for your kindness.

TonyDi

By the way, I certainly didn't come here to incite anyone's ire.  So perhaps it's best if you feel as you do that I just pack it up and leave.  Easy way out as it was an easy way in.

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bullet Posted: 9/15/06 at 10:25am

boy did I miss a post? Ididn't think things had gotten as bad as the last post. I think POB was just stating his opinion based on his experience. We don't always agree but thats what life is about. I for one love the forum and all of its charectars!

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bullet Posted: 9/15/06 at 12:26pm

Tony baby lighten up!    Although I agree with just about everything you've stated on the topic there's an implicit arrogance and thin skin that seems to have been revealed in your last response to POB.   I don't see where anyone's made you feel un-welcome.   If I felt un-welcome any time someone took issue with my responses I'd have no fun with this forum at all.

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bullet Posted: 9/15/06 at 2:50pm

Tony, did you read the part where I said this:

I'm sure TonyDi didn't mean it this way.

As I re-read my post, I see where it was somewhat harsh.  For that, I apologize.  I neither took nor intended offense.  I was just trying to suggest how not calling might engender worse feelings than calling would. 

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