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    Posted: 9/06/06 at 7:07pm

It is a policy of the theatre I work with for the director to call each auditioner personally and let them know whether or not they will be considered for a part in a show.

I've just finished that task for a play I'm directing.  Having selected and gotten positive responses from those I wanted, I've spent two days calling those who did not get parts.  Several of those are wonderful human beings and good actors who I've worked with before.  I am very confident in the choices I've made and feel I have assembled the strongest cast possible.

However, the notification process always pains me because I can and do commiserate with those who are not cast and being the bearer of bad tidings takes a toll on my psyche.  As we all know, choices are more often than not up to the whims and opinions of the director, and other directors could and probably would cast the same show a different way.

There were no bad situations, no tantrums or recriminations, all I contacted took the news like a trouper and I cannot express how grateful I am for that. 

Thanks for your time and consideration, just letting the pressure ease so I can go forward.

Would love to hear your thoughts and input on the process.

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bullet Posted: 9/06/06 at 9:00pm

Hi,

   When I direct I have always made it my policy to call everybody who auditions.  I always call who I want to cast first to make sure they want to accept the part.  When I call my no's I always say something positive about their audition.  If they ask why I didn't cast them, I try to be tactlfully honest and say I was going for a certain look with my characters (ie: family resemblence).  I encourage them to keep on auditioning and if I'm aware of any other auditions happening, I tell them.

     You sounded like you did an awesome job with your calls.

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bullet Posted: 9/06/06 at 11:39pm

I think it is a painful task to call someone and tell them that they did not get a role.   It's painful and awkward for both sides of the equation and as a director I will not do it as a normal practice for the majority of actors that audition for me and as an actor I don't want to get that call.     If an auditioner asks me why they didn't get the role I assume they want me to honest with them and I will tell them. 

I'm sorry but I do not understand nor do I agree with policies that insist on contacting the people that did not make it.  I frankly have bigger fish to fry with getting a show off the ground than concerning myself with the hurt feelings of actors who really should expect the "agony of defeat" and the "thrill of victory" to be part of the territory of auditioning.

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bullet Posted: 9/07/06 at 8:18am

BMD -

I'm sorry you feel that dealing with the hurt feelings of actors is not important. Yes, it is a painful task, one that I do not enjoy at all, but it comes with the territory in our theater. Frankly, I've had actors that I'm turning down try to console me because they know it's a tough job. Our directors call everyone so that there are no misunderstandings. We also try to encourage people to come back and try again, to work crew and to get involved.

As an actor, I always want to know why I didn't get cast - heck, it might make me do a better job next audition.

I think that part of the "community" of community theater is that phone call, one way or the other, that says that your feelings are important to us. After all, the actor I'm turning down this month might be the director I'm auditioning for next month...

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bullet Posted: 9/07/06 at 9:43am

I disagree with the policy of calling EVERY actor and telling them why they were not cast.  This goes back to the old adage of "Don't call us, we'll call you."  

Consoling the runner-ups is hurtful and humiliating for all parties involved.  As a director, I always say at callbacks "You'll hear from me [within a week/next Thursday/by the end of the month] if you've been cast.  If you don't hear from me by the end of that time, then I just want to thank you for auditioning, it's been a pleasure seeing all of you."

As an actor, I find it is NEVER helpful to find out why I wasn't cast.  I must realize it is up to the whim of the director, the writer, and sometimes the producer.

TOP TEN REASONS WHY YOU DIDN'T GET THE PART

10)  You're too old.

9)   You're too young.

8)  You're too tall.

7)  You're too short.

6)  You're too ethnic.

5)  You're not ethnic enough.

4)  You're too fat.

3)  You're not fat enough.

2)  You remind the director of:  a) the kid who beat him up on the playground in third grade, b) the girl that broke his heart in junior high  or c) the guy at work who drives him nuts in the next cubicle.

1)  You were by the far the best actor to audition for the role, but we gave the part to an old friend from college.

 

Of course, there's another possibility why you didn't get cast and that simply could be "You suck!" 

Would you REALLY like to hear that from a director?  Would that inspire you to take lessons and improve yourself, or would it inspire you to slash his tires?

"None of us really grow up. All we ever do is learn how to behave in public." -- Keith Johnstone
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bullet Posted: 9/07/06 at 10:21am

Sounds as if there are two schools of thought here... and I guess I'm in the other one.

I have received some very good and helpful advice from directors who did not cast me. I have also been invited to work on the show in a non-acting role which has also helped me.

When I first tried out for a show, the director turned me down - over the phone. However, he was very kind in pointing out what I could do to improve. This in turn made me want to go back to this group... a group I've been with for more than 20 years now. All because a director thought I was important enough to call and reject me in person.

Now, I understand that not all groups work the same and each group has its own strengths and culture, but most of us are dealing with adults. I'd like to think that I'm strong enough to handle rejection and I certainly prefer to be treated as such.

Topper, your list is exactly the reason I prefer to call everyone... I want them to understand that those AREN'T the reasons I turned them down (even though they probably will). At least I made the effort. And who knows, maybe I'll get through to one or two of them and they'll stick around and get cast in the next show. Our talent pool isn't big enough that we can afford to have people walking away mad, though some of them inevitably will.

...by the way; I did hear the "you sucked" line from a director once... she was right, I went in with the wrong attitude. Sure, it stung, but I didn't cut my wrists. After all, nobody died.

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bullet Posted: 9/07/06 at 10:30am

I had an experience, though, that would support the idea of contacting everyone. Three years ago I auditioned for a show that only contacts those who are cast. After the allotted time I hadn't been contacted, so I assumed I wasn't cast. Two days later I was asked to assistant direct a show somewhere else, and I accepted. Two days after that, I got a phone call from the first theater, wondering why I hadn't been at the first rehearsal. Apparently they'd left a message at a wrong number, or something.

It turned out for the best for me, because I turned down the role in the first show to stick with the other, and I'm now directing there, which is what I'd rather do. At the time, though, it was awkward. If I'd known to expect a phone call either way, I'd have called and asked when I didn't hear.

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bullet Posted: 9/07/06 at 10:43am
I call everyone even though it is not the practice at one theater that I direct at.  I owe it to those who auditioned.

Several years ago, I auditioned for Our Town (who hasn't).  I went to THREE days of call backs.  I mostly read for the Stage Manager part.  When the cast list was posted, I wasn't on it.  I was surprised.  When I tried to find out what happened, the director told me that he had a policy of never discussing casting decisions. 

Pretty tacky if you ask me.
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bullet Posted: 9/07/06 at 11:03am
Ya know, this would be a great topic for a nice long discussion over a couple of drinks... Everybody has an opinion and a story to tell.
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bullet Posted: 9/07/06 at 11:31am

I have wrestled with this for years. Those "no" phone calls are the hardest ones in the world to make. They are especially hard when you know that someone really wants a role, or is child. I do make the phone calls though. I sometimes split the duty with my producer and / or stage manager depending on how many calls we have to make. I usually call the people I know or have worked with before, and the producer calls those people who are especially difficult. I have someone who keeps showing up for my auditions who scares the socks off me, but that is another story.

Next auditons I was thinking about trying something different. I am going to be casting a small cast musical in a couple of months and I have a feeling that we are going to have large turn out. The last time I had auditions for a small cast musical and we had a large turn out, and we were on the phone for hours. It was just dreadful, and we were pretty worn out by the end of it. If this happens again, I was thinking about telling everyone at auditions that if they haven't received a phone call for callbacks within 48 hours, that I appreciate them auditioning, and I hope they will audition for me again. But that unfortunately I can't cast everyone. Then, after I have had callbacks I will make phone calls. I may change my mind though. I struggle with this every show, but I agree it comes with the territory.

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