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bullet Posted: 9/21/05 at 11:19pm

I must be one of the lucky ones... I can cry upon command. The downside is that I get weepy at the most inopportune times... saying the Pledge of Allegiance, thinking about lost kittens, watching my children do anything. 

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bullet Posted: 9/22/05 at 2:47am

I have very rarely had a part that required tears, but when I have cried on-stage, it was because I was so immersed in the character I was playing that the tears were my character's, for all the motivations the character had for crying.  Cry  The trouble with that was my body reacted as if I (the actor, NOT the character) was crying - forget the character.  When I start to cry I have an extremely difficult time speaking, which makes delivering an intelligible line very difficult.  That's what rehearsal is for.

By the way, if I tried plucking a nose hair to muster up tears I'd start sneezing uncontrollably.  Talk about a mood changer...

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bullet Posted: 9/23/05 at 4:11pm

The ultimate goal is that you are so involved in what is happening that you do cry as the character would - but that doesn't always happen.

If you start to 'act' as if you are crying - shaking lip, tight mouth, sad expression in your eyes etc - it will just come.  SOemthing to do with muscle memory - your body remembers that the last time it was like that it produced tears and voila

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bullet Posted: 10/02/05 at 11:44am

 In Method Acting we have Affective Memory, which also happens in our everyday lives when we do end up crying over something remembered.

 Affective Memory the the concious creation of remembered emotion which have accured in the actor's own  past life, that you then tranfer over to the charactor you are playing.

 Everyone can think of 9-11 and when you heard the events from that day, the sirens, the crys for help, it affects your emotional memory when you then sit and think about it.

 If I were to use this as an exercise before an audition, you'd sit, prepare by relaxing so the emotions can come thru, and then have the recollection of that day come into your mind. What were you doing at the time you heard about that event, can you hear the TV or radio, can you recall what you felt, what were you wearing, how did it make you feel, so as you go through all of the Sense Memory of that day, it helps to bring out the emotional memory of that day.

 Learning this simple little exercise, that we actually all do all the time, when we smile about the thought of a loved one or child that did something cute,all these are flash cards of memories, that you can practice bringing up to get the emotional reaction you want in any scene.

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bullet Posted: 10/02/05 at 7:13pm

I often have a problem with people who are too into the whole sense memory thing- they get so wrapped up in their "real emotion" that they stop paying attention to all the other stuff (like fellow actors).  It may be powerful to feel real grief and cry from that, but it's also distancing.

There's a careful balance to be struck between being too fake and too real.  I let myself be guided by the script- look at the way the lines are written- the pacing, phrasing, etc.  If you just let yourself get carried by the dialogue (and blocking), whatever happens or doesn't will tend to be appropriate, if not necessarily "real."

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bullet Posted: 10/04/05 at 1:48am

Well I am very new here, and tend to lurk for a while before posting, but I can relate something I was just thinking about last night to this topic.  As actors it is our responsibility to be a vessel for the colaborative (self and directors) vison of the character.  We are to allow the thoughts and emotions of the character to flow in and out of body and mind.  There are many techniques that we are taught to get to get to this place..relaxation, sense memory, silent dialogue, etc. I have always been one to also trust that "action brings on emotion".  Doing the action of something will bring the emotion to the surface.  If you begin banging your fist on a table while repeating a line... soon you will find yourself enfusing the line with anger- action brings on emotion. If you think about how your body feels and how your body reacts to the emotion of crying, and can recreate the action of your body, the emotion will follow. This applies to laughter, etc. As with anything we must first be great observers then imitators.

Well I guess that is my two cents .  Thanks for letting me share.

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bullet Posted: 10/04/05 at 5:44pm

If you want to get really deep and use the Stanislavsky method then really you shouldn't need any tricks or tips -

You should be so into your character and into your given circumstance that the emotions naturally flow.

If you are having trouble with this then you use sensory recall or the 'magic if' - (what if this happened to me). 

Having said that - that's what I teach but personally I find it very hard to be that into a character - but I guess that's why I'm not on Broadway right now eh!

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bullet Posted: 10/07/05 at 8:21am
Maybe I've never understood the Stanislavsky method completely... . I do believe in being completely in character when on stage. When you are in the mindset of your character, the mannerisms and method of delivering your lines seems natural. It's the 'magic if' that doesn't make sense to me.

A lot of the circumstances of the characters I play are not circumstances that I would expect to find myself in. If they did happen to me, I would handle them differently then the script. I instead decide who the character is based on a careful reading of the script, and the setting. The work from there on out is to put myself in the mindset of that character, and to make sure that I think and react like that character. I may need to adjust slightly as the other actors develop their character, but that's basically what I do.

Maybe I misunderstand what the 'magic if' is supposed to be. I find it necessary to let the character come out of the script as much as possible, partly because how I would react 'if this happened to me' may not work with the author's intent, or make sense with the period of the play. Plus, when I have to be more than one character in a play, I need to let those characters react differently, or it becomes confusing for the audience rather quickly.

That being said, I find that the process of internalizing a character does involve memorizing external actions before they can be internalized. For example, I had a character that was conducting music during one scene. I didn't know how to do that, so I asked our conductor to teach me. Of course it didn't look natural (who'd have thought that independent hand motion was that hard!). However, after weeks of practicing it on my own, I got to the point where I wasn't thinking about how I needed to move my arms. Now I was at the point where I could think (in character): "Ah, yes! Sing, you little money making children!" instead of thinking (as me): "Um, one, two... is my hand supposed to be here? Ok move the left arm, and ... crud! What's the beat count at?"

That's some of what I was getting at with crying. If you know what looks like crying on a stage, you can internalize it in a character and make it look and feel natural, even if that's not something you normally do. Plus, I'd rather do 'stage crying.' Real crying is a bit messy for me, and it would interfere with delivery. It's hard to say a line if all of your mucous membranes swell up, etc.!

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bullet Posted: 10/07/05 at 4:11pm

I've been staying out of this thread, mostly because I knew it would get to this:  Stanislavski vs. Strasberg vs. British systems vs. whatever the flavor of the month is.

And I don't get involved in religious discussions.

But I'll throw a couple of thoughts in now, since the argument has started anyway, and then I'll run away and watch the fireworks.

1) Sense memory is not used onstage.  Not. Not. Not.  It is an exercise.  Like any exercise, if it helps, use it, if not, don't.  But onstage, it is potentially dangerous, distracting, and worst of all, false.  Because your dog didn't die, dammit, Willie Loman did.

2)  Stanislavski explicitly said, over and over, that character building begins with the externals.  Actions, NOT feelings.  He said, and taught, that you must play only actions.  He wrote pages and pages about playing around in the costume shop to help himself look like Othello.  The fact that Strasberg taught something different in his name doesn't change that.

3) Magic If:  One of Stanislavski's pupils (Vakhtangov) put it this way:  "What would I have to do in order to do what the character does in these circumstances?"  Obviously, I don't get to do what I want to do in the circumstances; nobody wants to see a play about me anyway.    I am limited by the author's choices; my job as an actor is to justify them.

Willie's dead.  I'm at his gravesite.  Why am I there?  Why is he dead?  Is it my fault?  Is there something I could have said?  What do we do now?

If I place myself into these circumstances, and really think these thoughts, my reaction will be true to the playwright and to myself.  And if I don't bring actual make-the-costume-wet tears, well, maybe that's because I've spent so many years trying not to, that I can't right now.

But that doesn't mean I'm not crying.

 

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bullet Posted: 10/09/05 at 9:41pm

I dont know if that sense memory comment was directed at me, but just incase- insecurities showing- I just want to say  I was not suggesting that one would "use" that technique on stage. All were mentioned as a means to access- get to that place- of emotion within yourself during rehearsal or workshop.  They were just suggestions of what might work for anyone.  All in all I think every actor must find/create their own "method"(s) of what works for him/her. 

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