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Wireless [radio] 770MHz frequency ban

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Topic: Wireless [radio] 770MHz frequency ban
Posted By: JoeMc
Subject: Wireless [radio] 770MHz frequency ban
Date Posted: 5/01/10 at 7:58pm
While this is not my tea bag it may interest others who use radio [wireless] setups for whatever reason;-
700MHz useage will become illegal;-
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/wirelessmicrophones/ - http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/wirelessmicrophones/


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[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound!
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{may you always play to a full house!}



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Posted By: smileon3
Date Posted: 6/09/10 at 2:08pm
How is everyone dealing with this?


Posted By: David McCall
Date Posted: 6/09/10 at 7:59pm
From what I've heard, the FCC isn't going to be driving around in their SUV with 20 antennas on the roof, looking for offenders. At least not for a while.
 
My understanding is that they will only investigate after someone that is licensed to use those frequencies experiences interference and makes a complaint to the FCC. If they do cite you for causing interference on those frequencies, you will be shut down and the actors will have to learn to project. Do you dare take that chance? That's up to you factoring in the skills of your actors.
 
I suspect that your odds of not being shut down any time soon are pretty decent, but it is a gamble. I don't know if they will even fine people that get caught, assuming that the venue using the offending mics stops using  them immediately.
 
Fortunately my venue has new enough mics that work on legal frequencies, so I don't have to worry about it.


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David M


Posted By: museav
Date Posted: 8/24/10 at 1:20am
Actually, there are several issues potentially involved.  One is that the FCC will tend to be cracking down a bit more on this particular issue.  And while the FCC may not fine at first, if they do the fines are high.
 
Another critical aspect is that some of the '700MHz' spectrum is assigned for first responder or public safety use and people are running into local public safety officials looking for other operations on those frequencies.  Not to mention the potential legal or public relations issues should one of your mics interfere with a public safety use.
 
Adding to this, many of the legal users of the 700MHz spectrum are starting to implement their new services, in many cases making them unusable for wireless microphones.  People are finding that 700MHz wireless systems that worked last week or even last night may suddenly be no longer be usable.
 


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Brad W.


Posted By: David McCall
Date Posted: 8/24/10 at 10:17am
I wouldn't buy a '700MHz'today. If I already had them, I would be trying to figure out how I was going to finance my new mics. However, the odds that your old mics can make it past the building next door, so I'd say that your odds of causing a disaster by being on the wrong frequency is pretty slim. The odds of a first responder's signal interfering with your show are probably much higher.

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David M


Posted By: museav
Date Posted: 9/07/10 at 9:15pm
Originally posted by David McCall

I wouldn't buy a '700MHz'today. If I already had them, I would be trying to figure out how I was going to finance my new mics. However, the odds that your old mics can make it past the building next door, so I'd say that your odds of causing a disaster by being on the wrong frequency is pretty slim. The odds of a first responder's signal interfering with your show are probably much higher.
It has actually been illegal to sell a 698-806MHz wireless mic in the US for some time, although that has not stopped some groups and individuals from intentionally or unintentionally doing just that.
 
The first responder issue has been brought up by Shure in the context of an emergency at the facility using the wireless mic.  Their point is that if there were a medical emergency at your theatre do you want to assume the potential liability of interfering with any related communications?  It does seem that many life safety agencies are actively enforcing the availability of their spectrum before it becomes a problem.  One person related being rather surprised when a state police officer stopped by their high school theatre to tell them the police had traced interference with their communications systems to the theatre's 700MHz wireless systems and they had to cease use immediately.  At the same time, some of the legal users of the 700MHz spectrum are starting to implement their new systems on a much broader basis and this will make much of that related spectrum untenable for wireless mic use.
 
This actually seems to be a good opportunity for many to reevaluate their use of and dependence on wireless mics and some people are apparently surprised to find out how well they can still function with wired mics or even no mics at all where they used to automatically apply a wireless system.


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Brad W.


Posted By: David McCall
Date Posted: 9/13/10 at 10:25am
All excellent points. I didn't even think about the conflict happening within the venue.

If you can get actors to speak up, and speak clearly wired mics can often get the job done without wireless mics. If you can get them to project, mics might not be needed at all. That was always my stance until recently. I've come to realize that many audience members don't want to have to strain to hear. Wireless have become so common, that they have come to expect some serious amplification beyond what us old guys would even call reinforcement. They want it to sound more like a movie than what I grew up in the theater.


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David M


Posted By: Mr. Lowell
Date Posted: 9/13/10 at 5:25pm
I replaced 3 of our Sennheiser wireless systems over the Summer because they were within that 700 range.  
 
I put the old ones in my junk closet for now.  The mics are not very old and still in good working order, so it would be a shame to trash them.   I wonder if we could sell them off to someone overseas or something...?


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Mr. Lowell,
Lighting/Set Designer & Tech Director,
for the Linda Sloan Theatre,
in the Davison Center for the Arts,
at Greensboro Day School


Posted By: Sher56
Date Posted: 9/13/10 at 11:40pm
Hmmm   in the Cayman Islands.....don't these radio mics buzz a lot with phones etc?

Looking for over ear mics for musical.....700 MHz not an issue here! How old are the mics and what condition?

I did find some Countryman and MM....
Any recommendations? found the MM about $200 cheaper than the Countryman....


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Sher
Cayman


Posted By: dmoes
Date Posted: 9/20/10 at 4:10pm
anyone know if this is the case in Canada?

I Know that Industry Canada  who regulates and manages the radio spectrum in canada does not always follow the lead of the FCC  as there are many uses of the spectrum that differ greatly from the USA.


Id go to the IC website but its the most confusing and convoluted website as are most government sites hear



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Dave.
Lights, sound, Photography,
Peterborough Theatre Guild



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