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Topic: Director being rude to cast
Posted By: stanleyd
Subject: Director being rude to cast
Date Posted: 2/09/09 at 2:36am
I'm AD/SM for a show where the Director is being extremely rude- humiliating even- to the cast during notes and other times.  I know to be impartial under normal circumstances, but this is clearly a problem.

Background:  This is an experienced director who seems to have lost his edge.  It's Hell Week and he didn't have the team needed to have the set, lights, props, band, etc. ready by now, so we are all scrambling to the finish.

The actors have had to costume themselves,  find their own props, build and paint the set without adequate direction.  Then the Director vetoed many items, causing the cast to have to do it all again.  I realize some CTs depend on actors for all this, but that's not the expectation of actors at our theater.

Some scenes/musical numbers aren't polished, but everyone is giving it their all. 

Here's the point:  His notes include phrases like, "I'd be embarrassed if I was you", "I'm tired of watching you" and "That was awful", without giving specifics or coaching them how to change.  He singles out individuals and berates them in front of the whole cast.  He mocks the way they move, literally stands up and makes fun of how dancers move.  He denigrates actors to their face and even when they're not present- sometimes to the the whole crew.

What can I do?  Go to the Board?  This man is President of the Board!
Advice, please.  It may be too late for this show, but what should an AD do in this situation?






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Posted By: MartyW
Date Posted: 2/09/09 at 8:50am
Wow... I guess I would STILL go to the board (there must be more than just him)  Let them know what kind of jepordy the show is in. Not only that, if he is leading your theater, what kind of jeporday your volunteer base must be in after an experince like this..  Other than that, like you said, not much can be changed at this point.. EXCEPT the attitudes of all those who are probably on thier last legs and need a boost.. This is where you and others can make a difference "In THIS production".. Go team go, Hey kids lets put on a show... or my personal favorite "#$%^ Him, lets put on a great show in spite of it all!!!"


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Marty W

"Till next we trod the boards.."


Posted By: MartyW
Date Posted: 2/09/09 at 8:58am
I want to add that, when you do take this to the board, and you really should, advise them that one way to make a differnece in this type of experince, is to try a system we use. (it dosen't always work, but it does put someone else on the hook) for each of our shows we have the Director (and of course for musicals, a musical director and choreographer) they may have an AD/SM, but each show also has a producer who insures all of the tech elements are seen too and that the show is moving along well. They are responsible to the board. We also include a "board liason/advisor" for each show. this is a board memeber who makes themselves available during the rehearsal process and may be contacted should a cast member have a problem with the directorial/production staff that they can't resolve or dont feel comfortable tackling on thier own... You might want to try something like that fo rthe future


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Marty W

"Till next we trod the boards.."


Posted By: stanleyd
Date Posted: 2/09/09 at 11:13am
A Producer is a great idea.
 
Would you say anything to him?
 
Meanwhile, I think I'll take and spread your advice:  "#$%^ Him, lets put on a great show in spite of it all!!!"
 
Thanks!


Posted By: pdavis69
Date Posted: 2/09/09 at 12:44pm
Maybe one cast member with enough guts (and the willingness to follow through) to stand up to him and say "Enough is enough.  If you continue in this manner you can do the show without me."  I know that this close to production and could cause a huge mess but sometimes that is what's needed.  We once had a director who was very similar sounding.  The producer and board rep both spoke with him to no avail.  It actually took a cast member (and I'm not sure if I'd do it again now that I am sober) threatening the director with a severe thumping to get him to stop berating the cast.

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Patrick L. Davis
Fort Findlay Playhouse


Posted By: MartyW
Date Posted: 2/09/09 at 1:53pm
Oh Patio, You kill me.... Yes, I think someone should speak to him.. But if your not confortable with it, then you only option is the board.. The most important thing right now is getting the show up and over... and then making sure it NEVER happens again.

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Marty W

"Till next we trod the boards.."


Posted By: stanleyd
Date Posted: 2/09/09 at 2:03pm
So I should get drunk and threaten to thump the director.  Got it.  Sounds great, actually.  Thanks. LOL


Posted By: pdavis69
Date Posted: 2/09/09 at 2:46pm

Actually at that time "drunk" was my normal operating level.  Thank goodness that time of my life is past.  But it did give him cause to pause.



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Patrick L. Davis
Fort Findlay Playhouse


Posted By: tristanrobin
Date Posted: 2/09/09 at 8:27pm
Originally posted by pdavis69

"Enough is enough.  If you continue in this manner you can do the show without me."


I said something very similar to a director about five hundred years ago.

As I recall, he shaped right up.

If somebody wants to treat me like an ***hole, I'm gonna act like one.


Posted By: jayzehr
Date Posted: 2/09/09 at 10:04pm
Sorry to hear you're in a stressful situation like that. Makes me even more thankful how smoothly things have been going for our group (knock on wood.) I hope you can figure out the right thing to do.


Posted By: jaytee060
Date Posted: 2/10/09 at 9:21am
     I think your only option is to confront this issue head on.  This problem must be presented to your ruling body immediately.  Realizing that this tyrant will be present  I suggest you plan
your presentation carefully so that it does not appear as an attack.  Maybe have others fron the production with you to back up the allegations.  Use tact and diplomacy.  Present the list of grievences and force your Board of Trustees to act now.  Either this directorial dictator mend his was immediately or he is out. 
     This situation is not only bad the the production.  It is dangerous to your organization and its future existance. 


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Posted By: stanleyd
Date Posted: 2/10/09 at 9:31am
I am so frustrated.  One of our dancers walked last night because of ill treatment.  I know she'd come back if an apology was issued, but I don't think the Director even sees how he's acting as a problem.
 
I spoke out in support of the dancer and voiced my concerns about how the cast is being treated, to no avail.


Posted By: B-M-D
Date Posted: 2/10/09 at 9:34am
I wouldn't normally advocate mutiny but in this case the captain of the ship should be keel hauled and hoisted upon the yardarm.    That or walking out on the bastard will work.Smile 

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BD

"Dying is easy, comedy is hard."


Posted By: GElliott
Date Posted: 2/28/09 at 12:11pm
Wow, I want to hear how this all turned out.  I hope we hear the wrap-up story.

I had a similar director in college, he would ridicule, insult and berate you.  His logic was if you were mad enough at him you would do a better job.  Pretty twisted logic.  He almost slugged me because I wouldn't play his game and only returned his insults with smiles and thank yous, drove him absolutely crazy!  I don't wish that treatment on any theatre person.  It's awful for moral and leaves such a bad taste in your mouth for that production.

I hope it all turned out okay.


Posted By: Spectrum
Date Posted: 3/02/09 at 2:59pm
The sad part of having a cast member courageous enough to stand up to an abusive director and say something like "If you continue in this manner, you do it without me" is that a director who is so full of himself/herself (and thinks being abusive is the way to go) is no doubt ego driven and self centered enough to reply with "Fine.  Adios.  You won't be missed."  And THEN where would you (or the show) be?  He'll just blame you for any shortcomings.  Better to get the whole cast to stand up to him, because if they all walk, he has some 'splainin' to do.
 
It has been my experience that directors who tend to be dictatorial and abusive ALWAYS have a show that is mediocre at best.  The best shows (both in terms of production values and enjoyable experiences) are directed by people who welcome contributions (suggestions) by the cast and crews and encourage experimentation during early rehearsals.  The egocentric fools forbid it.


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Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional.


Posted By: ooliemartha
Date Posted: 3/18/09 at 8:20am
Nice.  Does this idiot director realize that paid or not, to make this theatre function, he needs to KEEP HIS CUSTOMERS, that means not just audience members, but also make this actors like their experience so much they don't go to another company.
 
As far as who to tell:  The Producer.  It's his/her job to be the communication between cast and director.
 
I know everyone told you to go to the board, but if this fool is president, find a new theatre group after this show.


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Posted By: stanleyd
Date Posted: 3/18/09 at 12:01pm
Thanks to you all for your support.  We survived and put on a great, great show despite the degradation.
 
THE WRAP UP:
 
I must come clean, when I said I "spoke out in support" of the dancer leaving, I actually should have said I started by "speaking" and ended by yelling.  The director yelled back, and we left it that way.
 
That night, I did contact the Board by email and insist they send a representative to rehearsals.  They hesitated because they had a policy of not interfering with a show.  I pointed out that the Director was an employee of theirs who was screwing up and it was their responsibility. 
 
I returned the next night, not knowing if I would stay.
 
There were several Board members there.  I don't believe anything was said to the director, but their presence was comforting.
 
The dancer was in the dressing room- she had returned with the understanding that the director treat her (and everyone) with respect.
 
I apologized to the director (I shouldn't have yelled), he apologized to me.  He walked on eggshells for the rest of the run.
 
I called on past volunteers to help get us up and ready by opening.  We had a dozen experienced people swarming the place finishing set, costumes, etc. the two days before opening.  THAT was cool.
 
As for permanent changes- I had a cast member who was going to write a letter to the Board about the situation (after the show), but he was then cast in the next show and decided not to shoot himself in the foot.
 
I know two people from the cast who say they won't work with this director again.  A third won't work with the organization at all, regardless of who is directing.  I'm torn- I don't want to go through that again, but maybe I could put some conditions in place to help the next situation.  Or maybe I'll move on.
 
Overall, some losses, but it could have been worse. 
 
Thanks, again, for your support.


Posted By: SpenceKenzer
Date Posted: 3/19/09 at 2:50pm
Directors with large egos and/or control issues can be as the Klingons once described Captain Kirk:  a tin-plated, overbearing, swaggering
dictator with delusions of Godhood.

As for directors who berate actors...

Some directors believe very strongly that in order for an actor to construct a believable performance that it is the director's job to "break the person down", to eliminate (as much as possible) the actor's own foibles and personality so that only the character's behaviours will show thru.

I worked for such a director once.  I doubt I would willingly do it again.  It wasn't much fun.  (On the other hand, the show turned out tremendously well.)  My opinion is that this director could have gotten the same great performances from his actors with far less emotional badgering than he used.

Yes, I'm all for the Producer to be there to represent the interests, wishes, policies, and procedures of the CT's board.  Or Production Manager.  Or Production Supervisor.  Or whatever you want to call the person.  Someone who, if need be, can privately but firmly remind the director (and the stage manager) of what the CT finds acceptable and what it doesn't.

The usual trio in charge of any production are:  the producer (executive), the director (artistic), and the stage manager (logistical or operational).  Any member of the cast or the production team or the crew should be able to speak with at least one of this trio about concerns with the production or the rehearsals.  Any such conversation must be done privately on a one-to-one basis, with the knowledge that he or she will be fully listened to (even if not acted upon), and that he or she will be safe from retribution or humiliation.

After all, we're all doing this for enjoyment, aren't we?  An abusive director isn't really helping achieve enjoyment for the participants.

The trouble with "keeping it to yourself" about an abusive director is, if no one on the CT board knows about the problem, this director may be engaged again for a future production, which probably isn't a good thing.


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Posted By: peacock
Date Posted: 3/28/09 at 9:42am
I can see that this thread is getting a little old, but I am really curious. You said that this director did not have a history of behaving like this. Could he be having some personal problems that he could not manage? I understand his behavior threatened the entire production, but now that you survived, perhaps a board member should contact him and find out if he needs help, possibly counseling. (In my other life I am a counselor myself.) It would be very sad if a capable director is thrown out forever because he didn't get help when he needed it. We all have those times. Also, if this were the case perhaps you could limit the damage in terms of volunteers leaving your CT. Good luck.



Posted By: Doc Theatre
Date Posted: 4/16/09 at 5:47am
I just read this.  Sorry I didn't see this earlier.  I am a professional director and work in the US and Canada.  (I also love to work with community theatre as well). I have decades of experience in theatre. You must let the powers that be know about this.  Not just you but the cast.  Never have this person back!  Feel free to show the following to your board:

Directing is Crafting a Performance!

I have never understood theatrical directors who chose to yell, scream, make public displays, tear down actors and even reduce them to an emotional episode of catharsis. This, to me, is not a sign of genius. Bullying and other forms of coercion only engenders resentment and fear among a cast or crew.
 
 Perhaps it is because I am well trained in psychology, motivation and suggestion as well as most acting techniques and in a wide range of physicality, I have never had to raise my voice at a rehearsal with an actor. It may work for some - but for myself and my cast - it does not bring the necessary reaction nor nurtures creativity.
 
Rather than giving personal notes publicly, I always prefer to speak with an actor privately. This may well be why actors eagerly ask me for line readings.

To craft a performance with an actor, the director is not a manipulator but a developer. She/he is a doctor with many tools and techniques and chooses exactly what is needed with that actor, for that moment in the script that fits the actor. These tools each a have a general name: Quintilian, Stanislovski, Adler, Suzuki, Grotowsky, Meisner, Myerhold, Strasberg, Spolin, Brecht - just to name a few.

Not every director is a dramatic teacher. Each has her/his own talents as well as limitations. There are some that are incredible vision with lighting, sound and other aspects of production.
 
The fact that so many actors repeatedly seek to work with me as their director, I find extremely flattering and feel it is the highest compliment I can be paid by an performer.  
 

 


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40+ years up on the boards and still at it!


Posted By: MartyW
Date Posted: 4/16/09 at 9:29am

I think for some who practice the yell and berate, you might trace it back to a H.S. or college experince somewhere... In my youth I remember a few directors who did that as a matter of course and seemed to think that was how it was suppose to be done.

 

But again, NOT to be tollorated



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Marty W

"Till next we trod the boards.."


Posted By: gaftpres
Date Posted: 4/22/09 at 11:35pm
I agree with Doc 100%. I find it better as a director to think like an actor when giving directions, notes etc. Treat others the way you want to be treated. I too have former cast members that will work with me over and over due to the way I treat them. The saying that, "A person may forget what you did, but never forget the way you made them feel" is so true. Positivity breeds positivity.

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Old volunteers never die, they just get recycled!


Posted By: JohnnyOneNote
Date Posted: 9/21/09 at 1:39pm
I know this post is old but I do have one thing to say.
 
If your CT allows the President to direct a show,  you are asking for problems. Add it as a Policy or change your bi-laws that the President can NOT direct a show. No theater I have been involved in allows this. But I know many do because they haven't thought about it.
It is a big NO NO!!!!!
They are the PRESIDENT of the theater - there is no where to go from there if you have complaints (well there is but what would the outcome be?)


Posted By: pdavis69
Date Posted: 9/21/09 at 2:56pm
"They are the PRESIDENT of the theater - there is no where to go from there if you have complaints (well there is but what would the outcome be?)"
I'm not sure how it is elsewhere but our President answers to the board.  He is the head of the board but there are another eight members.  Presidents can be removed, sanctioned or talked to just like any other member.  They are not above the rules.  Remember they are a person just like everyone else, they are not God.  OUr President doesn't even get a vote unless there is a tie.


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Patrick L. Davis
Fort Findlay Playhouse


Posted By: Kurtin
Date Posted: 10/21/09 at 10:50pm
See below. Got an error message when I posted this (erased post), and thought it hadn't gone through.
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Posted By: Kurtin
Date Posted: 10/21/09 at 10:58pm

Yeah? He's president of the board, is he? Ooooooo....! Sounds reeeeeal important.... Dead 

Here's what you do. Get your cast together and tell them that if they want to walk out, en masse, it's fine by you. He spreads it around that an entire cast walked out on him, he's the one with **** on his face.
 
What's the worst that can happen?! New president of the Board in  a month, maybe. No more actors taking cr*p from that sunuvabeech, definitely.
 
C'mon, just do it....sheeesh....!! 



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