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Starting a Theatre

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Forum Name: Running Your Theater
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Topic: Starting a Theatre
Posted By: Theatregal79
Subject: Starting a Theatre
Date Posted: 1/18/08 at 4:19pm
First of all I wanted to say hello and introduce myself since I'm brand new as of today, and just found this sight yesterday!!!  I've read a couple articles on starting your own company (SHOULD you begin, and the article about non-profit organizations) which I found to be immensely insightful and just got me even more excited.

I'm from Portland Metro area in beautiful Oregon, and am a theatre major from Whitman college.

OK now to my question:

My passion is to create a theatre in my community that will not only draw an audience and create culture, but also stretch them with regards to plays (ie not doing ONLY comedies but also introducing them to dramas as well).  That being said, I would love to put my heart and soul into this (When I get into a project I go all the way), however there is the fact that I must also make a living.  So my question is...is there a way to create a company (non-profit) and be one of the main directors of it and be able to make an income that I could conceivably live comfortably with?  Regardless I'm planning on having a go at it anyway, I"m just hoping that I can make a living off of this since I currently am not fancying my current job.

Can't wait to hear replies and I look forward to meeting people and swapping ideas/knowledge!



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Posted By: JoeMc
Date Posted: 1/18/08 at 4:59pm
This might be up the spout as the articles are for Not For profit!
Anyhow thr the Front Page on the Greenroom ;-
http://www.communitytheater.org/articles/index.asp - http://www.communitytheater.org/articles/index.asp
 
or
American Ass9ociation ofCommunity Theatre;-
 
http://www.aact.org/start/index.html - http://www.aact.org/start/index.html


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Posted By: Theatregal79
Date Posted: 1/18/08 at 5:55pm
Thanks Joe! Thanks for the link to the articles for Green Room. I did see the aact website.  I just was curious if anyone on here had actually started a company and was able to live solely off of running it. 


Posted By: JoeMc
Date Posted: 1/18/08 at 9:06pm
I think you might be whistling against the wind here Tom!
I don't know your Incorporation laws, but here the only way to live on the brass, is an an employee for the incorporated strucrure.
 However other members may know how it can be done there, although I think you will be pushing 'it' up hill with your nose!
May I suggest 'You get yourself a proper job to earn a crust?
Thus start up an Ameatre within the community & let it be what it is. Or take the chancewith some gold bricks & build up a Proeatre Wink


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[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound!
TOI TOI CHOOKAS
{may you always play to a full house!}


Posted By: biggertigger
Date Posted: 1/18/08 at 10:06pm
As a community theater, you are not in it to make a living.  Though some community theater do hire staff for various positions, many are part time jobs and lower pay on the scale. 
Your best bet is to contact your small business association and do a feasability study to see if a group like you are proposing would survive.  Some things that you may need to do is not only produce various shows but to offer theater classes, allow for various events when the theater is down between products, etc. 
But as I said, you should do a feasability study and this can be done threw the SBA (Small business association).
Unfortunately, if you really want to make a go at it, you'll need to have other work to suppliment your income.


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Posted By: Nanette
Date Posted: 1/19/08 at 7:46am
I agree with biggertigger ... the only way you'll make any money is to offer classes.  Sadly, you'll most likely never make a living in a community theatre.  (Wouldn't it be nice, though?!)
 
You could also do what some theatres do in large towns;  host themed birthday parties, complete with costumes and props.  Personally, I cringe at the idea, but it's a real money-maker.


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Posted By: Theatregal79
Date Posted: 1/20/08 at 10:24pm
Yeah I figured as much with regards to Comm. Theatre.  I do like the idea of classes though, I think that would be a great idea while the theatre is dark.  I will check into seeing what the SBA has to say.

Thank you all, I really appreciate your input!


Posted By: vickifrank
Date Posted: 1/21/08 at 8:44am

Classes are a great idea.  You can also do this for companies and schools--I've seen skits used for diversity training, sensitivity training, de-escalation of violent situations, and even used to announce corporate policy change.  I say companies, because that's where the money is, but you will be up against credentialed trainers.  For schools there can be grants to do such training.

Also, nursing homes can be desparate to get entertainment and lessons brought to the seniors.  I suggest acting lessons (paid to you) and a show put on in the senior center.
 
To do this you may need to have the non-profit theater and a side business for Theatregal79 because I'm not sure how'd you do with the 501c laws (IRS rules for non-profits see:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501%28c - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c ))


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Posted By: Kibitzer
Date Posted: 1/21/08 at 11:31am
You can contact your SBA, but I think an even better place to start is with your local, regional, or state arts council.  Every state has one, but it's a hit or miss thing on a local or regional level.  Talk to them about the theatre needs in your area and how you might want to help to fill those needs. 

For the time being, plan on keeping your "day job".  I don't say this to be discouraging.  To be honest, I don't want to be encouraging or discouraging.  I think the research you do in looking at the feasibility of starting something will be encouraging or discouraging enough! 

Also, don't decide yet if it should be a community theatre, an educational theatre, or a professional theatre.  None of these preclude being non-profit (which can be a very daunting process).  First, talk to local theatre people, local arts people, and others and come up with a vision.  Build the dream then begin to put together the steps you will need to take to make it come true. 

Trust me, you will most likely have to make tons of compromises along the way, but if you always keep the core concept intact, you'll be okay. 

Good luck - and keep us posted on your progress!




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Posted By: John Luzaich
Date Posted: 3/07/08 at 2:07pm
The short answer to your original post is, yes, you can make a living working in community theatre.  Although, many theatres have all volunteers.
 
Our theatre has 2 - full time employees and 1 part time employee.  We have 474 volunteers on our list.  Of course, some more active than others.  But, there are theatres with 12 - 15 staff and have budgets of $750,000. - $2 million.  When we started more than 30 years ago we produced 2 plays a year, with all volunteers and a budget of $2000. a year.  Now, we have a budget of $280,000.  We are in Iowa and there are about 85 community theatre groups.  I think there are about 36 regulars part of IACT (Iowa Assoc. of Comm. Theatres).  The National Association (AACT) has about 3,500 active member theatres.  In benchmarking several years ago we found that the average salary for the theatre manager (General Manager, Executive Director, Managing Director) was between $30,000 - $50,000.  I know several that make more than that.  But, starting from new, it will take some time to build that up!


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Posted By: Theatregal79
Date Posted: 3/07/08 at 2:13pm
John thanks for this and congrats on your success!  I just started a new job (I had to make $$ somehow lol) but this for the near future really raises my hopes!!!  I may be picking your brain in the future!


Posted By: John Luzaich
Date Posted: 3/07/08 at 2:31pm
Yes, picking our brains is what we're all here for.  This is a great site to get feedback, give ideas, and brainstorm.
My brother-in-law lives in Portland and when I was out there, I saw a production of the holiday comedy Inspecting Carol at Artists Repertory Theatre.  I liked it so much, we ended up producing it last December and it was just a hoot.  Very funny play.  We all borrow each others ideas.

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Posted By: dramafreak21
Date Posted: 3/31/08 at 2:16pm
i actually just started up my own LLC theatre company and we are putting on our premiere show in June.  i'd love to make a living off it some day, but i know that day is not today and will not be for many, many, many years.  rome wasn't built in a day!  and don't give up on the idea that you may be able to live off your theatre one day, but just remember that it's about the art and the love for said art and not about the money. :)


Posted By: gggf
Date Posted: 6/11/08 at 9:27am
Hi, I am new to this site, but would like to get right to the point, for "Theatregal" and anyone else who is interested:  I am starting a theatre company, and I need help, and I can offer somebody a future in theatre. 
     I  already have 80 acres -- already paid for-- where I want to build an indoor stage, studio and small amphitheatre  for working on new plays.  I am not attempting to recoup my investment on this land, and not attempting to make money off anyone.  I simply am looking for a way to be involved in theatre and yet live close to the land. 
   It should be relatively easy to complete this theatre project because it is starting out without the added burden of a mortgage hanging over the land.  I don't need the land, and I have other houses in town anyway, but I want to do something with it in theatre.  I am presently working every day towards this goal, and I often wish I had one or two collaborators here with me.  If I can find somebody, they will be backstage with me in forming this theatre, and will have a chance to develop their own position there as they want.
  I recently sold one piece of property that was left in my family by my parents, who recently died, and I took my share and roofed a house in town that I plan to sell to raise money to do more work on the land.  However, I have already done a tremendous amount of work -- rewired all the houses, built a water system, improved the road and parking areas, built gardens, several ponds etc. 
      There's a u-shaped hollow that just looks like a natural place for am amphitheatre, but we'd have to clear the area of trees now and build seats  and a stage.  The stage would then be facing a pointed mountaintop where the sun rises and sets:  It would be a great setting for an amphitheatre, much better than most settings that I have seen myself.
    Below the hollow is a big field and pond, but room for plenty buildings and a lake replacing the pond.  There's also flat lots on old logging roads above the pond, and the lots might be a good place to build housing for visiting theatre people, actors coming to read and playwrights coming to write.  However, I have not made a preliminary site map:  I want to do this in participation with others, so that everyone feels like they have a part.
      This is the most lovely piece of land you ever saw -- just a big sunny horse-shoe shaped valley with a pointed mountain peak directly behind the houses and forested ridges framing the sides.  There is a big field in the middle where there's plenty room to build as small or big a stage as we want, and plenty room for parking, plenty room for a lake, for gardens and for groups to come. 
    I am working hard right now to get four farmhouses cleaned up and ready for basic staff to come here and help start it. 
    I have a list of people interested in volunteering later to help build the stage [s] and some wee natural houses for visitors.  There's presently room in existing houses for some people to come live and work, but we would nave to work another year or two to get the place ready for larger groups to come. I have had groups there in past -- once, chool kids came up in a school bus to picnic there.  Another time, 25 people from an Audubon tour camped out around the yards.  However, the place is not suited yet for permanent use by groups. 
  I have visited a couple outdoor theatres to get an idea what their facilities for actors are like, and I feel confident that I can do as well or better than these other groups. 
    I visited one theatre, for ex., that had antiquated housing, not ver attractive or even comfortable for the actors, but I saw another theatre that had the most wonderful kitchen to feed people. It was so inviting.  I could imagine playwrights and actors seated around the tables talking.
     I have in mind building a community kitchen  supplied from organic gardens to feed groups.  I also want to build a green room with facilities for playwrights [computers, library etc.]  and more housing.  I can get most, if not all, the money to do this from selling two houses that I own in towns.  I have a carpenter who can do the work, and I have electiricians who help me.  However, it is sort of depressing developing a theatre all by yourself, and that's what I am attempting to do. 
  I am doing this because I am isolated.  I am the only playwright I know.  At one point, I left the county land and went back to a house in the city just to be close to the theatres.  I was about to sell the land, when I came up with this idea of starting a retreat. It seems to be a particularly good idea what with the gas crisis and developing food supply and water problems all over the world.  I want to do my part to live sustainably, and this was my solution -- a rural location to develop plays that we could take back to cities if we want.
  I hope any interested people will contact me.  I could offer them housing and I will share everything I have with somebody who is committed to theatre and sincerely wants to develop one.  However, this theatre would be aimed primarily at developing plays, at least initially, because it is not in a good location for big audiences.  There are plenty outdoor theatres around here though, and they get fairly good audiences at times, so it may be possible to have a performance oriented amphitheatre at some point.  Initially I wanted to start small with playwrights working with a few actors, and go from there.
  Greta
p.s. This IS country land, and there are snakes and bugs here.


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Posted By: JoeMc
Date Posted: 6/12/08 at 2:21am
That's fantastic Greta!
Cor Blimey the memories come teaming in.
Way back in the70's, a bloke, John Joseph, did much the same thing. Here in Perth West Australia. It was in the foothills up at Parkerville.[50Km's away.
He similar had a picturesque piece of land, that he wanted to turn into an amphitheatre. The theatre over looked the City scape, as a virtual backdrop.
He enlisted help from our then theatre association [ACTA] with converting it into a theatre retreat.
I remember going there nearly every weekend for a long time to help.
Being a theatre sparkie it was a bit of a problem, as I had to be back to do a show each night. But it was a great experience & enjoyable, camping out & cooking in a communal kitchen.
Being also a Rover Sea Scout, which came in handy with woodcraft skills in felling trees to make up the seating & building the stage.
He passed away quite a few years ago & I think his family flogged off the land, so it is no longer there.
For any thespians or theatre group to get involved is a great worth while experiance.
By the way it may be easier if you tell the member here where you are?
Brilliant idea Greta
 


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[western] Gondawandaland
"Hear the light & see the sound!
TOI TOI CHOOKAS
{may you always play to a full house!}


Posted By: gggf
Date Posted: 6/12/08 at 7:33am
OH.  I forgot.  I was too busy ranting to explain.
  The farm is located in the southeast corner of Kentucky near  the junction of the state lines of Virginia, West Virginia and Tennessee.  It is in a 14-county zone targeted by the governments to become a national model for environmental education, cleanup and restoration.  There is talk of creating a new national park built around the theme of the elk herd -- I have 20 elk running through my yard at times.
  It is within driving range of Barter Theatre, Southern Appalachian Repertory, Actors Guild of Lexington, Studio Players of Lex, the new Actors Collaborative Theatre in Pikeville, and Actors Theatre of Louisville, Cincinnati theatres and Triad Stage in Greensboro, NC, to name a few.
  Plus, it is close to a half dozen outdoor amphitheatres and the summer stock Pioneer Playhouse.  The beautiful Mountainside Theatre of the Cherokees is 3 hrs. away and I recently visited it to get ideas.


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Posted By: Theatregal79
Date Posted: 6/15/08 at 3:12pm
Gretta!  That is Brilliant and I'm so excited for you!  Right now I"m currently working to help a theatre company (its small and in Tualatin, OR) stay alive.  I'm going to direct them to this website.

Thanks again everyone for your $0.02, its greatly appreciated!



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