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do I hire a light technician or teach myself

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Topic: do I hire a light technician or teach myself
Posted By: Karin
Subject: do I hire a light technician or teach myself
Date Posted: 12/28/06 at 3:53pm
Our middle school play will take place in our new 600-seat high school auditorium.  Two high school students were trained in the use of the lights and sound.  When I went to see the high school's production last month, the lighting effects were mediocre at best.  I wonder if I can buy a book and teach myself about lighting or if I should spend the money to hire a lighting professional.  If a lighting tech is best, where do I begin to locate one? 



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Posted By: Linda S
Date Posted: 12/28/06 at 7:19pm
Hi Karin,
If you find out who installed the lighting equipment in your new theater they should be able to help you. If not, talk to the people at a local lighting supply house. I have found the ones near me to be very helpful. They should be listed in phonebook, or contact another theater in the area and find out who they use
Linda


Posted By: TimW
Date Posted: 12/28/06 at 8:50pm
I agree with Linda. If you find someone to assist you in learning how the system operates, you will know what can be done with it. This will also help when you invision what you want for a show, even if you don't always get it.
Tim  


Posted By: Gaafa
Date Posted: 12/28/06 at 9:41pm
Do both!
 As it’s not a small venue, in order to protect the investment & the resources. The school needs to employ a techiie, rather than leave it to students to use & abuse.
So yes hire someone to look after the daily maintenance,  oversee the technical production & teach the students as well as you, by doing it!



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      Joe
Western Gondawandaland
turn right @ Perth.
Hear the light & see the sound.
Toi Toi Toi Chookas {{"chook [chicken] it is"}
May you always play
to a full house}



Posted By: Karin
Date Posted: 12/30/06 at 11:05am
Thanks for your help Linda!
Karin


Posted By: SpazzingSM
Date Posted: 1/06/07 at 12:57pm

I disagree that students will use and abuse the system.  In fact students who are interested in it may work really well in your favor.  I have worked with students who, when left to their creative forces (of course with a little bit of guidance) have done amazing things. I have trained students in use of lighting and sound equipment and have had good experiences with it.  In fact when I was in highschool the school was in a pinch and I was thrown into some tech directing, stage management and lighting design and I have since made a career out of it (as well as studying to get a teaching certificate so I can teach students about what I do.)

Feel free to contact me if you have any further questions.
 
Allison Emmerich
Allison.Emmerich@gmail.com


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"Imagination is more important than knowledge" ~Einstein


Posted By: Gaafa
Date Posted: 1/06/07 at 10:15pm
G’donya Allison!
You must have had a good techie on hand to teach & look after the gear.
The only variation in most venues is wwith students of all ages & to what extent.
Especially in schools or community facilities, that don’t have a techie responsible to look after & maintain the equipment.
Invariably after they furbish the venue with a heap of equipment, that becomes a set & forget situation. Until it falls to bits, then they cry about the cost of replacement or don’t bother at all.



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      Joe
Western Gondawandaland
turn right @ Perth.
Hear the light & see the sound.
Toi Toi Toi Chookas {{"chook [chicken] it is"}
May you always play
to a full house}



Posted By: pdavis69
Date Posted: 1/08/07 at 1:59pm
One other possability you may wish to look into before you spend any cash.  (If your school is like most others I know, the football team has an unlimited budget and the theatre department gets the scraps).  You may wish to check into the colleges or universities near you.  At most schools you can find a college student in the theatre department that is willing to help out with training you and the students.  Sometimes helping you can even count as theatre experience for their coursework.

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Patrick L. Davis
Fort Findlay Playhouse


Posted By: theaterhelper
Date Posted: 2/12/07 at 1:43pm
Learning the art of lighting is a very hands on kind of thing... like composing music, or learning to paint.  Anyone can play a note or stick some paint on a canvas... anyone can turn on a light.  Understanding where the light switch is is one then.  The questions of how, when and where to turn it on become more complicated when you actually try to do it. 
 
There are three aspects of lighting to learn before you can do it on your own:
1. The technical workings of the system on hand
2.  The technical processes concerning how light functions on stage
3. Developing a vision for the lights using the above.   You are closest to having a developed vision from what I can tell, but are very clueless about the first two, and if you knew more about the first two, it would actually affect your vision.
 
To learn how the technical parts of your system workings, I'm sorry to say the best thing to do is read the instruction books that come with every piece of equipment.  Your facility is new, so anything in textbooks has been out a few years and is just outdated enough to frustrate you if you try to apply it to your system.  Any theater lighting text would also be good to have on hand simply so you can look up terms and understand what the instructions are trying to say.
 
The technical aspects of how light works is something you really need to witness before you'll understand.  For example, I can say that red light has a tendancy to null and void all colors into shades of red, but until you witness it in action, you don't really know what I mean by that.  I can say that having only front light will make people look flat, like cartoons, while having light from at least three directions will help people look well rounded, but until you've witnessed the difference in person, you won't understand why that differentiation is important.  I can say that twilight is best with pinks and yellows, but until you've seen someone try to achieve twilight in blue and fail and THEN observe twilight in the real world to understand why, your gut will tell you to go with blues because blue feels darker... and is indeed best for night.  As you can see... it can be a very complex learning process, and yet when it's hands on it feels a lot more simple than that.
 
Vision becomes even more complex to learn.  To an extent, it begins with an instinct that you either have or you don't.  (However, like learning to play an insturment... some people have a natural inclination and learn quickly and easily, but even non-gifted people can mechanically learn to play some songs on the piano.)  The closest anyone has ever gotten to being able to teach that kind of artistry in paper form is a book called "The Dramatic Imagination," but that gives you the art part without the technical part, so then there's still putting it together.  If you seriously want to learn, find someone to teach you in a hands on way.  It's really the only way to learn lighting.  (If you try to teach yourself, you may find the high school students were more skilled than you realized.)
 
So, to begin you may want to hire someone to teach you, so that in the future you, as an obviously enthusiastically involved parent, can get the results you will continue to want in years to come.  (You also obviously seem interested in the subject.)
 
As for the discussion that has been taking place on a TD kind of person for the space... students are transient... they come and go every few years.  Some are responsible and some aren't.  Even responsible ones can make beginner mistakes that can hurt equipment.  Having a consisitant figure of authority is very important to the longevity of equipment in an educational space.
 
Hope that helped,
Laura
 


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Shed some light on the dark side of theatre at theaterhelper.com.


Posted By: kmdded
Date Posted: 3/20/07 at 9:50am
I am directing a new children's theater group in my city.  My forte is directing and acting not lighting!  BUT I am very interested in learning.  Is anyone aware of conferences where technical aspects of theater are taught? 

For the present, we are doing the Wizard of Oz and I have a couple questions.  Should a spot be used for the entire show or only for specials such as Somewhere over the Rainbow, or when I am highligting the witch while others are frozen on stage.  One person posted not to use red, so if I wanted to highlight the witch on SR in a kind of creepy light should I use green?  THe first scene is all earthtones, hence kansas, would yellows and pinks be good for that?  And finally, OZ is emerald green...lighting ideas????

I am not going to try to do anything too involved as far as lighting cues and really dont have a light techie to work with yet.  Any help would be appreciated.

KathieClap


Posted By: Gaafa
Date Posted: 3/21/07 at 3:28am
Theatrehelper posted great insight!
Kathie by ‘centre spot’ I assume you mean a ‘lime’ [follow spot]?
I personally I only use a limes  for solo/duo song pieces in musicals.
 Depending upon the wattage of the lime, you may have to fade down the general wash in order to use the lime.
This is dictated by the mood of a hard edge spot or tweaked out of focus to soften the edge up. Normally the Iris comes into play & can be used effectively to draw the punters focus. Even to dictate the time lapse in heart beats, before any applause is given at the finish of the song.
With a good spot operator there are a lot of tricks & effects that can be employed, using the Iris or Dowser.
With the witch I’d use Congo Blue’ [L180] the colour gels can be found in a gel swatch book or on these sites for Rosco & Lee;-
http://www.rosco.com/uk/filters/supergel.asp

http://www.leefilters.com/LP1.asp?PageID=21
 
However you need to decide on your general colour wash for the Cyc, ground row, boarders, Side, floats & FOH lighting.
This will give you the colour palette to mix from & add in Specials to high light. As for the emerald city & Kansas you could go with Cyc colour  of green for Oz or Amber’s/Blues for Kansis, along with the mise en scene covered by general wash.
As theatrehelper mentioned it is a case of playing about & experimenting with it.
 

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      Joe
Western Gondawandaland
turn right @ Perth.
Hear the light & see the sound.
Toi Toi Toi Chookas {{"chook [chicken] it is"}
May you always play
to a full house}




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