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Topic: Problem director
Posted By: Linda S
Subject: Problem director
Date Posted: 11/06/06 at 2:37pm

One of theaters that I work with is having problems with a new director, and as time goes on it is getting more serious. The director came with good, not great credentials and wrote an impressive proposal. Then things slowly started to fall apart. There was some problems at auditions, but they seemed to straighten themselves out. Then I was called in about a month ago to tech direct, because nothing was in place. No costumes, set, lights, sound nothing for a cast of over 30 people. (It highly unusual for this theater to have a tech director. Most directors, with the producer, will arrange there own tech from available staff. New directors often will bring in people that they used before from other theaters. This director knew this part of their reponsibilities.)  The director said they had everything under control, but when pushed for specifics they had to admit they had done nothing.

Now we have a new problem. Members of the cast are talking about quitting because the director is rude and condesending. We have called a meeting for tomorrow with the director. Anyone ever have to deal with something like this 3 weeks before opening? What do we do if the director falls apart and says they can't do it? How do we go about keeping the cast?

Any advice would be helpful.

Linda




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Posted By: suzecue1
Date Posted: 11/06/06 at 3:59pm

We've had lousy directors before. Bad enough that the cast had to direct themselves, but not bad enough that cast members threatened to quit 3 weeks before opening. Yikes! You didn't mention if there was one, but what about the producer? Could he/she pick up the pieces? When you meet with the director, I would suggest having someone with experience ready to come in and AD the show.  Ready to do the things that are being left undone. Someone capable to take it over if the director gets falls apart and quits. If the cast knows that you are bringing someone in that they respect, maybe they will stick around?  From what I have seen, in my experience, the cast will pull it all together. 

 



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Posted By: red diva
Date Posted: 11/06/06 at 4:12pm
I agree with bringing in the producer or an AD to take over.

Perhaps next time it would be helpful to assign a "consulting director" to any director that is new to your theatre (even if they are, or claim to be, experienced).  He/she could kind of oversee what is going on, and be ready to step in if things go wrong.

We use the consulting director concept and it seems to work well, as he/she can be there to critique (in a constructive way!), answer questions, and offer support.  We also appoint a "Board Advisor" to every production, as a liason between the director and the Board.  This person is there to handle any procedural problems or cast complaints about the director or producer.

We actually had to ask a consulting director to step in once when the director came down with pneumonia and had to be hospitalized about a week and a half before opening.


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Posted By: B-M-D
Date Posted: 11/06/06 at 5:48pm

At our ct we only use appoved directors.   What this means for us is using directors that have worked with us in other capacities and know how we work and opperate.   In some ways it's double edged sword in that it's a little more dificult for new directors to get to work with us.   The philosphy stems from long before I bcame a part of the group, wanting people (at least directors) who have a stake in the organtization rather than just breezing in to direct a show and never being heard from again until the next time they direct something.

We also have a program to groom new directors from within by having them AD a show, do a presentation piece with at least 3 people that's at least 30 min long and then if approved by our board to direct will have a mentor for their first main stage production.   It's a process that most experienced directors are not willing to subject themselves to.  We've made exceptions for people who are experienced, who's productions we've seen and have worked with us before in other capacities.   We've found that depending on a resume alone is no gaurantee of success.  For the most part it seems to have worked out fairly well.



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Posted By: eveharrington
Date Posted: 11/06/06 at 8:00pm
I know it doesn't help you now, but for the future, the main group I work with requires you to AD a show before you can direct. We do this so that when you direct you understand what is your responsibility and what will be taken care of for you. These responsibilities tend to be very different from theater to theater. There are certainly CT's out there well run and amply staffed enough that the director wouldn't HAVE to worry about the things you mentioned, but I have a hard time imagining a director willing to completely abandon those things to a third party anyway. Besides, you siad they were aware of their job ahead of time. As for the rudeness and smug attitude, well, there is no reason for that but it does sometimes come with the territory.

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Posted By: JShieldsIowa
Date Posted: 11/06/06 at 8:56pm

Funny, we just had the SAME EXACT thing happen very recently - however no one approached the director.  Everyone was afraid to discuss the problems with him in a "formal" manner.  The cast, scared to the point of tears, invited me to "hold book" during an impromptu rehearsal they decided to have themselves when they realized the director was of no help.  They asked for my advice and help, but it was OPENING WEEK.  There was little I could do.  Consquently it ended up being the worst show that I've ever seen (and I've seen some real stinkers!)

I agree with suzecue1.  Get a back up person lined up now.  If the theatre decided to allow him to stay on with the production, I would require that there is a board appointed AD or liaision that is capable of directing the show in case he quits.  If he has been rude and condescending already, he will probably quit when all the cards are laid out on the table (either out of embarassment or being upset).  I think if the cast sees the theatre's administrative/organizational team is recognizing and coming up with a resolution to the problem they will probably be more willing to stay on board.  They've obviously already put in some work on this show - they probably won't be likely to throw that away if the problem is being addressed appropriately.

Remember - the cast and theatre's reputation are on the line here.  If the cast feels alienated, they may not want to do a show with your group again.  If the theatre presents a lousy show because of this director, you'll lose audiences.  Best wishes on a sticky, icky situation!



Posted By: Theatrestation
Date Posted: 11/06/06 at 9:04pm

Do you have someone willing to step in and take over as book director (you maybe)? Perhaps that would be your best option. If this person is unprepared, and rude and condesending to your actors it is obviously not a good atmosphere. It may not be the easiest thing to do, but I would suggest kindly, but bluntly telling this person that they seem to be in over their head and they seem to be taking their frustration out on their cast members which is not helping the situation. Maybe give them the option of staying on as an assistant director, but put someone else in charge. There is a cast of thirty, a crew of however many, and an audience to consider (and perhaps some sponsors). They deserve a good show, and if the director is allowing things to fall apart it needs to stop.

Is there a person at this theatre that is a managing director or in a similar position? What is their stance on this?

Good luck!

Susan



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Posted By: Linda S
Date Posted: 11/06/06 at 9:18pm

The problem started when they had a hard time finding a director for this show. That process has little to do with me. I am for hire at this theater. I got called in to tech direct because I know the producer and I live around the corner. (Maybe I should move.) I personally think they have a problem with how they put together a season. They pick the shows then try to find a director who wants to do it. In my opinion it is the backwards way of doing things. Anyway, they had asked a few directors who declined to do this show, including me, before they settled on this director. Like I said she has some experience and had assistant directed. She had worked with this theater before, but not as a director  She was enthusiastic and laid out a plan that looked more then reasonable.

I have been called into this meeting because of my background, such as it is. She has to be told that she is being preceived as rude and that her show is in trouble, because I don't think she is aware. After reading the responses I like the idea of having a "board advisor" at rehearsals. I am also going to recommend that the stage manger take over as assistant director. The producer is more of a business person then a director. Actually, I think she would faint if she had to direct.

As for abandoning all of the tech to me, the third party. It couldn't have been better said. I feel abandoned. As I started putting together a crew, I tried to talk to the director about what she wanted. A week went by. I asked for any input. Another week went by. I got nothing, and continue to get nothing.  It has finally reached a point where it has to be done. I have all the people I need to make this happen. I have promised my friend that the cast won't be naked, on an empty stage in the dark.

Thanks for the input. Wish me luck.

Linda



Posted By: Linda S
Date Posted: 11/06/06 at 9:26pm

Hi Susan, I am trying very hard for that person not to be me. We will explore ALL other options first. I am suppose to be on an 18 month break. If you don't count the show I did this summer and the one I am scheduled to do this spring, I have almost kept to that plan.

Thanks for the support.

Linda



Posted By: Tom_Rylex
Date Posted: 11/07/06 at 2:36am
Linda,

I've been in this situation a number of times, and it's never pretty. A meeting, as you mentioned, is the way to take care of it. Hopefully this is a meeting called by the producer, with representatives of the board, if needed. Those are supposed to be the next two levels up in the food chain, with the board backing up the producer if the producer can't handle the problem.

They need to trust the facts about how the show is effected by this director. If you know there is no recovery for the show with this director, they need to leave. Don't change your mind in the meeting. If you feel the director should be given another chance, then you need to limit their responsibility. You need to tell them that for the sake of the business of the show, they now only have control of X and Y, but the producer/stage manager/cleaner will now be taking over authority for the other parts of the show.

The response will range from remorse and humility, to anger and the director leaving. Don't waver if you don't have a replacement: no director is better than a destructive director, believe me. Many shows can operate on autopilot with some minimal guidance. If some of the actors are reliable and experienced, even a business oriented producer can take over.

Just be sure that you have a single voice of authority if the director has to go. If that's a cleanup (replacement) director, that's easy. If it's a producer like the one you mentioned, they should still call the practice schedule, and they will clearly state how the show is delegated from here on out (actors A, B, and C will provide guidance for the scenes, the stage manager will take over the major blocking, the tech director will do whatever she does, and we will still have a good show).

The important thing is that the cast sees that someone is taking charge, and they will pitch in to make the show work.

Godspeed,

-Tom


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Posted By: JShieldsIowa
Date Posted: 11/07/06 at 4:02am

I'm not sure what your "post-mortem" procedures are after a show closes, but I think I think you might want to be sure one takes place.  I agree that selecting a season line up and then looking for directors has many downfalls.  I have only worked with one theatre that has tried doing that and ultimately ran into the same problem the theatre you're working with is in.  One theatre I work with set up cooridinators (all volunteer) for each season to head up costumes, props, set, etc.  They don't necessarily do the work for each show, but they do check in with each production on a regular basis to offer support and make sure things are going smoothly.  I know it's been immense help to some directors by keeping them on track and making sure they are on a solid timeline.  Just my two cents. 



Posted By: falstaff29
Date Posted: 11/07/06 at 2:46pm
I think the best preventative measure for next time would be to try to only hire directors who a board member can personally vouch for- they've seen, or better yet, been in their work.  It also helps tremendously if you hire directors from "inside," ie, people who have a longstanding commitment to your company, even if in another capacity than directing.  But, unfortunately, sometimes directors just don't work out, and no amount of Monday-morning quarterbacking will eliminate the possibility.  At this point, as others have suggested, find someone responsible who knows the show to get in there and oversee the rest of rehearsals.  Good actors tend to be able to survive directing fiascos.  If they quit, that's another matter.

As far as two other preventative suggestions, just my comments:
1. on having potential directors AD a show- this has limited value.  Directors tend to be very cautious in this type of situation, and you're not going to see what they really have to offer- and how they do it.
2. I think having a lot of oversight of a director during rehearsals can be problematic.  All an overzealous board or producer does to a director is compromise his ability to create.  It will also raise tensions.  I've been in situations where I knew what I was doing, but the board didn't trust me, and it just made my job that much harder.

One thing that does work is promoting a friendly environment, so that the director will trust you if he needs someone to go to for assistance.  That way, any potential conflicts can be nipped in the bud.  Make a point to the director from the getgo that you trust his abilities, and give him some breathing room.  That way, he will be more likely to ask for help when necessary without being afraid that his show is being stolen from his hands.


Posted By: Theatrestation
Date Posted: 11/11/06 at 11:10pm
So how did this all turn out?

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