actors feelings re: curtain calls
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Topic: actors feelings re: curtain calls
Posted By: clelia
Subject: actors feelings re: curtain calls
Date Posted: 9/23/05 at 10:58pm
I know many actors feel slighted if they aren't given the "right" curtain call treatment but I felt just the opposite in a recent production of "The Women." I played Mary and the director had me take a final solo bow after everyone else had posed and bowed in tableaus....18 other actresses! By the time I came out, the audience was exhausted from clapping, I felt like a fool sweeping out in grand CS position and I suspected the rest of the cast resented my "star turn." I didn't say anything because we got this elaborate curtain call staging right before the preview performance but would it have been kosher to tell the director it made me uncomfortable? ( he left the next day). Are curtain calls in a different category or do actors follow directions here too?
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Posted By: dougb
Date Posted: 9/24/05 at 11:25am
Follow directions!!! If you have an issue, discuss it with the Stage Manager if the director has left.
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Posted By: falstaff29
Date Posted: 9/24/05 at 11:47pm
I agree with dougb.
On the larger note of feeling slighted about not being given the right curtain call treatment, I've never taken too much offense at being given too early a curtain call. I do mind a little when I have a large-ish role and I'm lumped together with too many other people. Obviously, that's understandable with a large cast. But, as an example, I was in a production of Little Shop where Mushnik, Orin, and Audrey II all came forward and bowed together. Seemed a bit unnecessary.
But, in the scheme of things to worry about in a play, getting upset about curtain call's a small matter.
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Posted By: Gaafa
Date Posted: 9/25/05 at 12:27pm
I hardly ever worry about the feelings of the performers position, in the pecking order!
What is more important is the mise en scene & that of the production.
Even with the programme cast list, I have them in order of appearance
& alphabetically in the role names, if there is more than one that
first appears at the same time.
On posters or programme covers I won?t have the Director or
single out any ones name to be put on, except for the name of the
Author & Rights courtesies.
Having said that there is a poster on our website, which I didn?t authorise, from our first show which has names 
------------- Joe
Western Gondawandaland
turn right @ Perth.
Hear the light & see the sound.
Toi Toi Toi Chookas {{"chook [chicken] it is"}
May you always play
to a full house}
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Posted By: POB14
Date Posted: 9/26/05 at 11:25am
Yes, you follow directions. The call is part of the show.
That said: I HATE curtain calls, as an actor. "Pour your impersonal love out upon me, oh strangers in the dark." What I really want to say to them is:
If we shadows have offended, Think but this, and all is mended: That you have but slumbered here, While these visions did appear; And this weak and idle theme, No more yielding but a dream, Gentles, do not reprehend. If you pardon, we will mend.
I guess curtain calls are necessary; the audience wants to say "Good job" somehow. Anyway, it's better than going out into the lobby IN COSTUME and getting your accolades that way. Ugh.
------------- POB
Old Bugger, Curmudgeon, and Antisocial B**tard
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Posted By: tristanrobin
Date Posted: 9/26/05 at 1:03pm
Originally posted by POB14
Anyway, it's better than going out into the
lobby IN COSTUME and getting your accolades that way.? Ugh.
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ugh is right.
I HATE it when community theatres and/or high schools do that.
It's sooooooooo tacky and 'pleading for compliments.'
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Posted By: Shatcher
Date Posted: 9/26/05 at 5:03pm
I must say I hate the whole reception line after the show thing...however I know many actors that want that kind of Love after the show. Thank goodness us techies don't have to worry about that! I have worked at a theatre that had the tech crew come out for a bow as well. Must say I didn't like that either. As a techie I am a creature of darkness if the people in the house see me I haven't done my job right. If I wanted to be seen I would be an actor.
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Posted By: Tom_Rylex
Date Posted: 9/27/05 at 12:52am
I guess I slightly disagree with the previous comments on having the actors in the lobby after the show. For me personally, I could do without it. However, there are other dynamics involved at the community/high school theatre level. A sizeable fraction of the audience is there to see person X in a show, and may not have come to the show otherwise. Likewise, there is typically a fraction of your actors that are very new to theatre, and actually making the long road from audition to curtain call is a big accomplishment for them. Sometimes it is _the_ accomplishment, a checkmark on their life list of things they've always wanted to do. It's a good thing to stand out there with them, and let them receive their personal accolades from family and friends, while they're still "in the moment". Yes, you get to stand around for a few awkward minutes, sweating in a musty costume, and hear X's aunt tell you, "Oh! Um, you were good too! You were all good! This was really neat!" I just consider it part of supporting other members of the cast. As far as curtain calls; I think they are necessary, but should be short and sweet. There's a couple of standard formats, use one, and be quick about it. An actor who feels slighted about not getting his/her "bowing time," or feels that someone else got more, doesn't quite get it. The actor who is receiving applause is receiving it on behalf of everyone who made them look good. They looked good only partly because of their own talent. The rest was the interaction of everyone he/she was on stage with, the costumes, the makeup, the lighting & FX, even the fact that the SM shoved them on stage at the right time. An audience applauds these things, even if they don't realize that they're doing so. I agree with Shatcher's comment about having the tech crew take a bow. That's about as pointless as parading the props on stage for the audience to applaud for. I've never gone to watch a show because of the furniture pushers. The best compliment an audience can give to tech is to forget that they were even there. If the backstage crew has helped to make the audience suspend their disbelief for a few brief hours, they have done a marvelous thing. That applause that they hear during curtain call is part of something that they have done. That final approval of a show is the pride of a show well done that everyone offstage takes home with them that night.
Just my 2?,
-Tom
------------- The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
-R. Frost
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Posted By: Nyria
Date Posted: 9/28/05 at 3:52pm
The curtain call is to thank the audience - I've seen shows where they don't do one and I think that's so rude.
But yes - follow directions - it's still part of the show 
------------- NYRIA
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Posted By: Lyren
Date Posted: 9/28/05 at 4:07pm
Ahhhh Curtain Calls.
I was always taught by my acting coach to behave myself during curtain calls. He was always very clear on how to bow, and be appreciative of the audience.
I was in a show once in which the whole cast danced around and acted like fools during the curtain call, much to the delight of the director. If you can't beat them join them I guess. But its the director's call.
Personally, I like to keep my curtain calls short, sweet and polite to the audience.
I don't have a problem with community theatres doing receiving lines, although it is very awkward if the show really stinks. I just tell everyone congratulations. A lot of theatres I've been to recently have small cast meet & greets afterwards. Not really a receiving line, but the cast can come gather in the lobby or receiving area in or out of costume and chat with patrons. Its much less formal than a line of people to walk past when you are on your way out.
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Posted By: casey05
Date Posted: 9/29/05 at 5:47am
Yes, that's one thing that should be considered. Traditionally actors
bowed at the end of a performance as a sign of honour for the audience,
as the actors were doing the audience a service.
In general, meet and greets work sometimes. One instance where it works
is with a children's show, so that children can meet their favourite
characters after the show.
In most shows that I've been in, a bow has just considered either with
a long line (or several lines) of actors, or small groups of
characters. Usually we bow twice - once in character, and once out of
character as an actor.
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Posted By: Tallsor
Date Posted: 9/29/05 at 8:24am
I was always taught by the teacher/director of my college theatre that curtain call is for the ACTORS. This is their time to get thanked for their hard work on the show. She has them come out to the lobby, but NOT in a reception line - they are required to mingle if they want to do that (as many of them want to come talk to their friends / family who came to the show).
Something she does, that I've 'stolen', is that once the actors bow, she usually has them take a pose in character while the others finish bowing. Then, the full list of actors take their bow, they give a sign to the tech booth to get them their applause (which, as a techie, is welcome as - as mentioned above - most people forget them, and it's at this time it's helpful to remind the audience how much work went into this to make it look - hopefully - easy). Then, they go back to their pose while the lights go out.
My two bits,
Angie
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Posted By: sparf
Date Posted: 9/30/05 at 2:38am
Well, I am not leading man material, as a matter of physical type. So I
like the curtain call as a chance to stroke my undernourished ego. :)
I've been in two shows, both at the same community theatre, where there
was a receiving line after the final bow. Both shows were musicals. In
the first one, I was a speaking member of the ensemble. I had two
costume changes, but I did have an overall 'main' role that took up
most of my stage time. as such, I enjoyed the receiving line because I
got to hear feedback from people on my performance. (Feedback that
wasn't all "Hi, great show, bye now", I should note).
The second show was another Musical. I was a non-speaking 'extra' type actor. I found the receiving line to be torturous.
I think, personally, that the meet and greet is a good thing, but best
done out of costume. We've seen the characters, now let us see the
actors who made them real for us.
Children's theatre is iffy. I've met children who were absolutely
terrified of some of us during a run of Raggedy Ann and Andy (I played
Prince Leonard the Looney Hearted), but others who loved seeing those
silly grownups in the costumes.
who knows. :)
------------- That is not dead which can eternal lie / and with strange aeons even Death may die.
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Posted By: Shatcher
Date Posted: 9/30/05 at 4:08pm
I know I added my 2 cents on this already but as for childrens shows... My young daughter loves to see theatre and she loves to meet the actors afterwards. Because my husband is an actor she understands that actors are prentending, not all kids will. I think the meet and greet for kids shows is ok for the kids but not always for the cast. I saw a production of Beauty and the Beast where Belle was pucked on in the lobby after the show, she was still in her gold ball gown. I'll bet the costume crew was thrilled with that!!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 10/12/05 at 11:36pm
Curtain Call--yes. A show seems empty without one, and I have seen a few without a curtain call.
However, I don't block the curtain call until I feel my students have earned the privilege of one. Otherwise, they get an ensemble call--everyone lines up at the front of the stage and bow. (I've done this once in 12 years.)
When blocking a curtain call, group your minor actors into logical segments. When one group is bowing, the ones who are next should already be moving from the wings. If your curtain call lasts more than 60 seconds, you are straining the patience of the audience--some of whom are probably dying to use the restroom. If you are doing a musical, you can have them move to the finale and pick up the song after they've all had their chance to get applause. This releases the audience from having to clap the entire time, and it gives the curtain call a natural ending.
Receiving line--NO.
I watch plays at a local semi-professional theatre (a step above community but not Equity or Equity-waiver). They always do a receiving line in the lobby, which is cramped to begin with. I find that if the kids want to meet the actors, it's great, but leave space for the rest of the patrons to exit. If it's not a children's show, skip it. Hold special performances for children and have a question-and-answer time with a picture/autograph session immediately following the performance for interested parties. This actually promotes the childrens' interests in theatre and allows the actors to share basic information about acting, working in a theatre, etc.
I teach high school theatre, and although we don't do a receiving line, I do allow the students to meet and greet the audience after the show because most of them are friends and family. Also, this year I allowed a select group out at pre-show, staying in character, asking the audience if they had seen other characters (it went with the plot of the play). I let another group out at intermission. I found this helped keep the backstage jitters down on my main characters at the beginning, and it kept the chorus from driving me nuts at intermission. I wouldn't do it in all situations--but it worked last year. Also, they got a chance to meet and greet the audience, so the audience felt a part of the show before we even started.
MIss C
P.S. Unless you have a true Broadway star in your cast, save the standing ovations for the professionals. Don't cheapen the importance of one.
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Posted By: PatrickArmagh
Date Posted: 10/13/05 at 12:05am
Take the bow. It is the only true response you will ever get out of an audience in regards to your performance.(sometimes)
I once did a musical performance that had the four leads take a combined/staggered group bow at the end of curtain call, while several secondary principles each got a solo bow. It was slightly frustrating as an actor, but one of the secondary principals stood out as performer, and received the worthy applause. I on the other hand got lumped with a lack luster leading lady, and had to share applause with her, but still heard a noticeable pop from the audience when I took my bow within the group.
If you don't get the POP, then you can estimate a clear understanding of the audience reaction.
As for receiving line, I regret that they are sometimes necessary. I was taught that an actor never goes out in character, costume or makeup, but when a receiving line is required by the theater, you make exceptions.
Receiving lines are generally used to make the subscribers feel welcome. In community theater, a receiving line can add season ticket subscribers, and is a free marketing tool. The issue I stress is to keep it short and simple. If the audience compliments or thanks you for the wonderful job; thank them in return and express gratitude that they enjoyed themselves. Try not to linger with too many patrons, a keep yourself in an accessable locations that do not block the flow of traffic or appear needy.
Always remember!!! An applause is immediate, a face to face meeting in a receiving line will net a whole different set of comments, but at least you can get a read on their sincerity.
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