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Quote JoyExcellence Replybullet Topic: Youth- Same leads over and over?
    Posted: 8/29/10 at 10:17pm
How do you feel about having an enormously gifted actress/actor getting the lead over and over.  I am talking about a kid who is an obvious stand out... "gets" the part, has comedic genius timing, sings beautifully and just has the "it" factor.   Consider that people thought she was cast in this role before auditions even began... even though she wasn't!
 
Having a hard time casting a show because the leading lady has been the lead in the past 2 musicals.  She's right for the role, but the buzz and backtalk of the other students/community has already started.
 
The lead boy is the same way. But boys are hard to come by, so it's not as difficult. 
 
There are lots of talented girls. And some that *could* do the role... just not as well as this young lady.
 
Give another student a shot, or cast her again?!?
 
 
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Quote Thudster Replybullet Posted: 8/30/10 at 3:11pm
Tough call, but I think if she's the best one for the part, then she should have the part. I understand all the drama that could cause, but it's about casting, right? Back in my high school days the lead roles kept going to the same people, but that's just the way it went -- they were the ones who could do it.

I'm in the Wilder Pageant now, and we've had the same person playing Pa Ingalls for the past 25 years. But he's the one who's perfect for the part. I play the Reverend, and that's the part I'm good at. It's the way things go.

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Quote JoeMc Replybullet Posted: 8/30/10 at 8:16pm
If you have already cast her go with it, if not cast someone else. As I believe 'we are in the business of manufacturing memories'.
There is always a heap of untapped talent & shrinking violets lurking inthe shadows, waiting for the limelight & well worth the time & effort in being discovered.


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Quote mrlloyd23 Replybullet Posted: 9/02/10 at 4:00pm
You have to go with the actor you think is right for the role.  I wouldn't let the community dictate your choice.  You have to follow your instinct.  However, sometimes its fun to challenge a traditional leading lady with more of a character part. 
 
I had a student who was blessed with the "it" factor and she got the leads in several plays: Emily in Our Town, Rosie in Bye Bye Birdie, Betty in White Christmas, Viola in 12th Night, but when we did the Gershwin musical Crazy For You she played the ditzy folly girl Patsy.  She created this character that was geniunely one of the funniest people I'd ever seen on stage.  After playing tht part she became a much stronger actor.
 


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Quote KEB54 Replybullet Posted: 9/03/10 at 2:49pm

Base it on auditions and let everyone know that is how it is.

 

My wife directs High School Theatre. We overhear comments all the time and we let them know that nothing is pre-cast and it is all based on their audition. If someone thinks their daughter is better for the part, she has to show it at auditions. She should select and PRACTICE the proper audition song, and she should get a perusal script and become very familiar with it. It doesn't hurt to get some dance lessons as well.

 

My wife now has an annual audition class for high school students. Its a couple hours long and they focus on four areas: 1) song; 2) dance; 3) acting, and; 4) audition etiquette.

 

In addition to herself, she has the musical’s music director, choreographer there as instructors for the class. She also brings in a local university Theatre major to do their “Professional” audition (about 2 minutes).

 

She makes it pretty fun for the kids. It really shows at auditions, who took the class.

 

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Quote Spectrum Replybullet Posted: 9/04/10 at 9:06am
I somewhat agree with Joe; unless it is already cast, I'd give someone else a try, especially if they are in the lower grade levels - if they are acceptable in the role, of course.  At the high school level of theatre, one needs to develop talent on the way up, and expose EVERYBODY to the theatre experience.  Repeatedly favoring the same people for leading roles kills that experience for most "budding actors and actresses" and hurts the program's possibilities in the future.  In school, where EDUCATION is the motive, you shouldn't sacrifice the education and encouragement of many for one slightly better performance.  NOBODY is that irreplaceable, and the following years will be all the better for it.  Besides, it looks bad (stale and "cliquey") to your audiences to continually have the same leads, no matter what level of theatre it is, and to me, it indicates the director has no real skill, or courage, or imagination.
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Quote bnk01 Replybullet Posted: 9/09/10 at 10:42am
I'm with Spectrum here - if the goal is education, don't just teach the best kid. And for a community theatre? It's more than just the best possible show you can do - it's about the community. Hey, it'd be a better show if we just hired professional actors in the first place, right? (And I realize I'm opening up a can of worms with that comment...) There are other considerations than who's going to be best in the role, though... who's going to benefit most from the role? Who will develop a love for the theatre and share it beyond this production - maybe carry it with them for life? Who will discover a new talent, or rise above where they thought they could be?
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Quote JoeMc Replybullet Posted: 9/09/10 at 8:37pm
This article from the AACT kinowledge base may help;-
 Audition the actor not the part  http://www.aact.org/documents/AUD1.pdf
Which to mind "it's what we are all about" in comeatres & especaily in schools.  To produce, encourge, uncover & bring about by allowing them to 'Be the 'Best that they can be'.
 



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Quote Theatermama Replybullet Posted: 9/26/10 at 11:07am
I must say I agree with mrlloyd.  The "it" actor can't always get the lead in youth shows and whatever role they get they will be fabulous and it allows some other kids to shine.  Having 2 "it" actors in my house and one latebloomer I can tell you from experience.  The latebloomer when given the opportunity always comes through but is rarely chosen to try and the "it" actors almost always get the lead but on the times a director used them in  a supporting role, that ended up being one of their favorite roles because it was much more about character development.
 
My oldest got the chance to be both the lead and a character actor in the same show.  The HS did both versions of the Odd Couple.  We are boy short in our hs too so he got the role of Felix in the male version which he did flawlessly but he also got the role of the Hispanic Lover Boy (can't remember his name) in the female version and though he was only in 2 scenes - literally when they opened the door before he ever opened his mouth the audience laughed for over a minute - the scene had to stay frozen until composure came back. He did his own costume and had his hair curled into a long afro (some young lady spent hours with a tiny curling iron and a lot of hair spray), he put on a Tom Seleck mustache and had a baby blue bell bottomed leisure suit with an unbuttoned ruffled shirt and glued on chest hair and sunglasses and ankleboots. He assumed this sexy pose in his very tall 6'2" body leaning against the door frame with roses held above his head and his partner was this shorter stockier actor that just made my son look so much taller.   He said it was his favorite role to date and he has had some amazing roles. I think it made him a better actor.
 
I work with a lot of kids and the directors that give leads to new and upcoming actors are usually never sorry and those kids work so very very hard.  Sometimes talent does have to dictate who you choose but when talent abounds, spread the wealth.


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This is why I am hesitant to cast freshmen and sophomores as leads, regardless of how good they may be.  First, I feel better using students I know a little bit more about- upperclassmen.  Second, if they do get a lead early, I've seen a lot of ego problems develop.  Finally, I've been pleasantly surprised to see older kids blossom when I didn't just use the "obvious" underclassman in the role.

I was "the other guy" in high school- the one who did get to play a lot of fun character roles, but never the lead- while one of my friends played the Pharaoh in "Joseph" sophomore year, Jim in "Big River" junior year, and Billy in "Anything Goes."

I have a freshman girl this year who is a great singer, but I also had some strong seniors who hadn't gotten to shine much.  I cast them as leads, and put the freshman girl in the chorus.  Lights came on, and the freshman girl's eyes went wide and she faded into the shadows.  I've worked with her more this year, and I think next year she'll be ready for bigger things- I'm already looking at her for the Sour Kangaroo in "Seussical" her sophomore year and maybe even "Beauty and the Beast" her senior year.

On the other side of things, I had very few boys audition for this year's musical (four, in fact... so I had to go grab a few more), so I ended up casting a freshman boy in a lead.  He almost completely broke down under the pressure, and I don't want to do that again.  And yet... next year, we're doing "Seussical" and I have an upcoming freshman whose personality and voice would make for a perfect Cat in the Hat- the role that a lot of productions skimp on...  But I also know that the actor playing the Cat has to be mature and organized to manage all the entrances, props, costumes, accents, songs, and lines the character has.

I suppose we'll just have to wait and see what happens at auditions.
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