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bullet Posted: 9/28/09 at 11:25pm
I've been creating 3D models and projecting them but it would be fun to have them printed as backdrops. In particular, Id like to experiment with Digitally Printed Chameleon Scrim.
 
I'm not sure that I'd like vinyl if it had a sheen to it.
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bullet Posted: 9/29/09 at 9:36am
Originally posted by podiumEH

If we use the FR heavy weight Muslin (found a good price through rosebrand.com) can it be repainted and reused for a furure show or is it one time only use?
 
Yes, you can repaint muslin backdrops.  Our local community theatre has some 20 year old drops that have been repainted 3 or 4 times!  However, a new drop painted just once weighs about 40 pounds, while some of their old drops now weigh 100 to 150 pounds!!!
 
The key to keeping weight down is to only use water-based scene paint, like Sculptural Arts Coatings or Rosco Concentrated.  Some of these community theatre drops have latex paint...argh!!!...not only does latex make the drop VERY heavy, but when you fold the drop for storage, the paint will crack and flake off at every fold line!
 
When repainting a drop, you usually will need to cover the old image with a base coat of "slop paint" of a suitable color.  I don't think that more coats of paint will negatively affect the flame retardent properties.
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bullet Posted: 9/29/09 at 9:44am
Originally posted by podiumEH

As for the vinyl billboard- we have access to used billboards for free. We'd have to paint it ourselves. Not sure what type of paint would adhere and hanging it could be a nightmare.  
 
You might ask the billboard company about what kind of paint to use to repaint vinyl billboard material.  But my guess is that you would need to use an oil base paint.  Any water base paint would just bead and pool, and latex paint would peel off easily when the material was folded or rolled.
 
You have a really good idea here.  I may check with my local billboard company about using discarded vinyl drops for plays.  The only question yet to be answered is regarding the fire safety of vinyl drops.  (And I have tried to address that question on a new thread in this forum).
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bullet Posted: 9/29/09 at 10:21am

Back in the old days :-) we painted flats and drops with powdered pigment mixed with animal glue and a mild dish washing detergent as a wetting agent. When the set came back to the shop, everything got spread out in the parking lot where we hosed it down with water and scrubbed with brooms. This removed most of the paint leaving just a little staining on the flats. Nothing that a new paint job didn't cover. That way there was virtually no build up over the years. I don't know if there are any modern paints that can be washed off in this manner.

One of the beauties of this paint was that you could easily make any color you wanted in any amount rather than having to go back to home depot to buy another can. I tried to get our group interested in Rosco supersaturated paint because it forces you to make up your own colors that can be much better suited to theater. I think they felt that it was too expensive. I felt that it was actually cheaper in the long run. Even though a gallon of supersat cost much more than home depot paint, it goes a lot farther, and you only mix up what you need, making it somewhat cheaper. I couldn't sell it here.
 
As to the "animal glue" I assume that this is what you get after sending the old gray mare to the glue factory. It came as crystals that you cooked in a double boiler. It smelled really bad especially if you let all of the water boil away.
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bullet Posted: 9/29/09 at 8:07pm
Blimey David that takes me back to days of using Quasch water colours, poster paint & wallpaper size. Especialy Iddings, which is a milk casein product, that remains wetable, unless a glaze fixer is added over it. It comes in powdered form & will go off if left in open containers.  
 
 
 
The same with wallpaper size left over night in an open bucket, the gawd awful pong lingers for days & keeps on following everyone about.
 
The Iddings paint is good for scim painting & can be washed offlater, the Guru on scrims ect is Vicki Franks.
The powder paint used to be cheap untill the advent of arty farty craft shops drove the price up. we used to use it all the time untill cheap emulsions & plastic [latex] paint came on the market. Now as they save a lot of messing about, it easier to buy a can of white & mix tints to suit. Which also saves preping back drops with Whitener first & sizing flats.
 
 
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bullet Posted: 10/28/09 at 11:24am
Originally posted by David McCall

I've been creating 3D models and projecting them but it would be fun to have them printed as backdrops. In particular, Id like to experiment with Digitally Printed Chameleon Scrim.
 
 
Printing on Chameleon Scrim is cheaper than people think.  It costs $50 plus $1.5/sq ft plus the price of the scrim. 
 
But if that is beyond a budget, consider painting Chameleon Scrim yourself.  Its fairly easy to paint and instructions are on the company website.  http://studio-productions-inc.com/white_papers/wp_painting_scrim.html  a 15' x 30' costs $ 450  (Remember to treat with a flame retardant after the painting).
 
Finally if painted scrim is beyond your budget, consider renting a scrim ($195 two week rental of a 15' x 30' scrim) and projecting the set with a projector or shadow projections.  Its easy to do shadow projections for Seussical.  I'd recommend the lavendar 15' x 30' scrim to get the odd skies.
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