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    Posted: 6/25/09 at 5:00pm
Hello everyone!

Our CT is on the cusp of a new building! Very exciting! Great support from our community, great tix sales and a cooperative effort with our local library to build a joint structure.

We need help in thinking and planning about a new structure. Any of you have such experience, ideas, blue prints, sketches to share? We currently are a 172 seat and want to expand to a 280 seat theater with smaller theater of about 60 seats and a large rehearsal space.

Any thoughts or experiences or designs you may wish to share would be most appreciated!

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bullet Posted: 6/25/09 at 5:43pm
Here is a copy of a post I did for another group. Perhaps there will be some items of interest in it.
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 have just become the official TD for a 2 year old venue. I think the consultant on it was Alan Symonds, but I never met him. Unfortunately he died in the middle of the project and a lot of mistakes were made. It's hard to know where the blame should go. I have listed several of my issues in a report I did for them last summer. Look under "some suggestions" near the bottom of the page.

Everybody winds up spending a fortune on equipment for these new theaters, and often the quality gets seriously compromised. The most important thing that gets totally ignored in all of the new, and old, venues is the ability to add equipment to the room temporarily. It shouldn't be that hard to understand that we will need to run DMX, power, audio, intercom, video, etc., etc. all over the venue. We have to run wires across places that people have to walk so we tape them down or cover them. Running anything up to the FOH positions or the booth can be a nightmare in most venues. Audio snakes wind up being run through the audience. It is always a pain, and very difficult to hide.

If I were to design a room, I would put a very high priority on providing troughs and raceways that will allow wires to be run from anywhere to everywhere. I'd put in sizeable disconnects for lighting and audio power. I'd provide certified hanging points for speakers and trusses. I'd put in places to hang lights in the box boom positions as well as front of house positions and a booth. Id make it easy to get between all of these positions without climbing ladders. I'd put in the infrastructure (T-bars and locking rails) for lots of counterweight line-sets even if I didn't have the money to install them right away. There would also be backstage and a proper loading dock. It is pretty impractical and expensive to add any of these things once the building is built. To me, all of this comes before you even think about buying a console, dimmers, or lights. You can rent all of that stuff or buy it later.

After that I'd get comfortable seats for the patrons. I'd probably want the acoustics to be quite dry because everybody wants to use sound systems these days, and they work better in a non-reverberant space. After all of these things Have been thought out, you can begin to think about the shape of the building, and what you want to do to make it pretty. As far as I can tell, most people designing "Performance Centers" and theaters do it exactly backwards.
 
The only pictures I have are the ones I put into the Report on my website ( http://techshop.net/Theater/Venues/melrosetech/index.html ) The PDF file labeled technical specifications has a lot of information about the room and the equipment in it.
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bullet Posted: 9/28/09 at 8:58am
Absolutely gorgeous and I'm drooling....
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bullet Posted: 9/28/09 at 7:47pm
I would be happy to look over your design ideas and make comments.
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bullet Posted: 9/28/09 at 10:48pm
Having been involved in a few venue upgrades, as well as new theatre venues. I agree whole heartedly with David & you should snap up his offer Tom.
As he suggests the basic infrastructure wiring & workable production logistics, should be the essance of the prime design plan. [Remember the 5 1/2 P's (prePlanning Prevents Piss Poor Productions)]. 
 
The 'Achytex' I have worked with, are basicaly all been ego driven divas, who are only concerned with asthetics & building statues to themselves. Of course cutting corners to coin in the brass & fill thier own coffers, is always thier prime motive, not the venue.
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bullet Posted: 11/06/09 at 3:46pm
I generally agree with the previous comments.  Think long term and focus on the things that are difficult to add or change later.  And designing from the inside out makes more sense, too many facilities are designed from the outside in.
 
However, I think it is critical to consider a few things early on.  One is that there are going to be many building code, life safety, ADA and other practical issues that will drive many aspects of any construction project.  While getting your priorities and needs organized is crucial, you also need to get the proper design professionals involved early on before you get too far along.  It can be very disheartening to do a lot of work and then have to start over once you have to deal with teh practical issues.
 
Speaking of your priorities, that is proabably where you need to initially focus.  Start identifying what Architects call a "Program", a functional description of the space.  It is not necessary, or even desirable, to get into all the details but rather to get the basic spaces and their general use, physical requirements and functions defined. For example, it is not necessary to know specifically which dimming system or work surface you will have but it is important to identify as early as possible that there will be dimming, what electrical service will be required for the dimming, that a dimmer room of at least a certain size is required, etc.  Focus on function, not specifics, and be ready to prioritize your needs.  It is much better to get some 'wish list' item cut later than it is to have something critical cut, but that may mean identifying the difference between the critical items and less critical items.
 
The tie in to the library may also be a factor.  I have worked on projects that combined performance spaces with library facilities and they almost always were a little different.  That could mean having multipurpose facilities that serve more than just theatre.  It may mean requiring public bidding and using a 'low, qualified bid' aproach for all services and work.  It could mean having to address security, access, building systems (lighting, air conditioning), etc. to support different hours of operation. But it will likely in some way impact your plans.
 
A good consultant or team of consultants can help you through much of this.  I have found that many theatre managers and directors have a very good idea of what they want and need from their oeprational perspective but have little knowledge or experience with codes or the construction process or with translating their desires into good construction documents.  A good Consultant or team of Consultants should help you greatly in that endeavor.  But the earlier they are involved, the sooner they can start helping.
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bullet Posted: 11/12/09 at 8:55pm
One thing Larry, that keep going on about is, don't allow the 'Archietex' to frill the fly loft viod - with the air con plant! Or gawd forbid a ceiling directly over the stage area, supposedly to reduce the noise of the climate control plant. Angry
I mean while it is quite logical to these wood ducks, it don't work for us black ducks, working on the pond!
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