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    Posted: 4/05/09 at 6:26pm
Are Directors supposed to consult the Producer about their casting decisions before finalizing them?  Or do they just let the Producer know the choices when finished? 
 
My Producer did not like my casting choice (using a female instead of a male for an either/or part) and wanted to "discuss" the fact that I had changed something she thought we had made a decision on.  I simply listened to her suggestion and did what I thought best. 
 
I'm concerned that this kind of "consultation" may end up applying to other creative decisions I make, and I have never worked with a Producer who has demanded this.  They've always worked in an organizational aspect, not in any creative expression.  This is also what I have read in regards to their "the Producer is responsible for every aspect of the show", in an administrational way, not artistic way.
 
Would the voices of experience clear this up for me?
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bullet Posted: 4/05/09 at 11:40pm
I think, in community theatre, it can vary depending upon the theatre policy and the specific team.

In my opinion, the director should always have final casting approval. However, you should check with the publishers of the play before casting against the specified gender. They can get very upset about that, and have even shut down productions for that reason.

It can be tricky because the lines between jobs like producer/director/stage manager can be blurred in a non-professional setting. Hopefully, you have a smart producer who is a good team player, and will be able to utilize his/her input without feeling stifled or ordered around.


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bullet Posted: 4/06/09 at 7:19am
Well the key phrase in your casting issue is that the part was "either/or" - which I assume you to mean that the show ALLOWS for using a male or female with the author's blessing and not violating the author's casting choices.  SO that being the case - if it is - then I would NEVER allow anyone to DICTATE who I cast, why or anything else UNLESS it is pre-defined as something the producing company, the producer or any other entity has allowed for and made known to me as director BEFORE they hire me and before casting begins.  If they let me know ahead of time that this is how they do things, and I accept (first of all I NEVER WOULD) then I have little or nothing to say about it.  BUT if they do NOT define this parameter, I make MY casting choices based upon what I want, then they try to come back and define how I should cast or make any kind of comments based upon what I've done and how they'd like it some other way - too bad!!!  I ALWAYS have and always WILL make my own casting choices without input from anyone (well except the author or copyright company).  I will not allow someone to dictate to ME what they hire ME to have the experience, expertise and know-how to do for the good of the production.
 
As I said, I will never knowingly take a directing position that demands that kind of restriction.  I simply am not going to accept that kind of treatment.  It's only happened to me once - well that is, it was TRIED and I had to argue with the producer for a solid....A SOLID 45 minutes defending MY position.  I was accused of casting "friends" over the local people - HARDLY ANY of which showed up to audition and none were right for the roles.  The people I cast, I DID know but were not personal friends....just people I'd worked with before.  And this so called producer - well she was a domineering individual who thought she owned the theater just because she'd been there since it's inception.  She is no longer part of the company, she was not-too-politely told to stay away and had created so many problems with directors, techs, actors, that she drove everyone away - no-one would audition, help or anything because of her.  She almost ran the place into the ground and it's a decent venue.  JUST her attitude of superiority and arrogance kept people from WANTING to be involved. Needless to say things have improved since she's been gone and the company is actually thriving at this point.
 
Anyway, tough to deal with - but if they didn't define that this is how they do business BEFORE you took the position, then you have every right to cast whomever you please - ALWAYS!! THAT is what they hire you for - your experience and expertise at putting together a group of people that will provide for the best possible theater experience and a show that works.  Beyond that - it's their problem
 
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bullet Posted: 4/06/09 at 8:14am

Yeah, Ideal and Real are two different things.  I have been fortunate to have extremely good producers ... in fact they do not consider themselves producers but rather board members whose focus is running the operations.

 

With that said, it is their expectation that I make decisions that are in the best interest of the company. They do bring me into the board meeting at play selection time to get my input on the plays, and again maybe three months before a production to finalize staff and budget, and to discuss various issues.  If there is a concern with how the play has to be “produced” it is done at that time.

 

I’m sure there will come a time when the board has to have a consultation with me or another director (we’re hired on a per show basis), but so far it hasn’t happened with me.  At any rate, so far the board has left me alone after our three-month-out-meeting to run things myself as far as the production.

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bullet Posted: 4/06/09 at 9:04am
In the Pros, I still believe its the Producer who has the say... That being said..
 
In most of the C.T.'s I have worked, though the director is responsible for the artistic vision of the show and should have the final say, most things are actually done by committee... In my home theater we have a Casting Committee for each show. It is usually made up of the Director, Producer, Music Director (if any) Choreogropher (if any) and in some cases the Board Advisor, and Excecutive Director, or just someone the Director has invited to help.  As for the artistic side, when the producer/director calls a produciton meeting (hopefully early on) the director will usually state his needs to the team.. "I need it.." (dark, sinister, light, cheary, cartoonish) etc to fit the vision.  "It calls for.." (a street scene, and interior, a bridge.. whatever)  I need doors up right, center, entrances from aisles etc etc... I see the characters in a follow spot here and here.. Costumes should be modernistic, traditional whatever.. etc  etc etc..  Then the TEAM goes to work, adding thier creative arts to the process..
 
As for the informing your producer of your choice before finalizing, none of the 5 theaters where I've been known to hang my hat, would ever have a director make those choices in isolation... and for me as a director, thats a good thing.. I like the give and take, the other possibliites that my preset may not be allowing me to see.. BUT, when all is said and done, its the directors choice... But for your producer, I can see where they would be upset to not be in the loop  IMHO
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bullet Posted: 4/06/09 at 1:00pm
The theater I worked at most often works like Marty describes. The Producer is part of the casting comittee and is there when the casting decisions are made. There are various aspects of casting that have a direct impact on the job the producer has to do. For example if you have a variable sized cast (maybe the chorus in a musical) it's vital that the producer know how many people are going to be in the show for budgeting reasons. With that said, the Producer may have input on casting, but the ultimate decision is up to the Director. Ideally you will have a good production team (Directory, Producer, etc) and will all work together to pick the best cast.
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bullet Posted: 4/06/09 at 1:19pm
The Producer ultimately represents the CT's board, along with its constitution, bylaws, policies, and procedures. 

That means that the Producer can and may overrule the Director on any artistic decision, including casting choice, IF the Director's artistic decision goes against the CT's procedures, policies, bylaws, or constitution. 

Remember that the Producer has the CT's long-term interests (into the past and into the future) at heart, whereas the Director probably only has this particular production uppermost in his mind.

If the CT would prefer that roles are filled by actors of the appropriate stated gender, then it is up to the Producer to communicate and enforce this policy with the Director, and in a timely fashion (i.e., BEFORE any actor is offerred the role), and would veto the Director's casting choice.

If the CT doesn't care which gender of actor plays any particular role, or if the author and/or publisher openly states that the role can be played by any gender of actor, then the Producer would probably not veto the Director's casting choice.

I suspect that in most CT's the Director has been given relatively free reign in casting, and the CT has gotten used to NOT interfering in casting decisions.  This in no way frees the Producer from the important responsibility to ensure that every Director's casting decisions comply with the CT's policies, procedures, bylaws, and constitution.
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bullet Posted: 4/07/09 at 1:44am
Originally posted by MartyW

 
As for the informing your producer of your choice before finalizing, none of the 5 theaters where I've been known to hang my hat, would ever have a director make those choices in isolation... and for me as a director, thats a good thing.. I like the give and take, the other possibliites that my preset may not be allowing me to see.. BUT, when all is said and done, its the directors choice...


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bullet Posted: 4/07/09 at 12:45pm
We're having a meeting today to discuss our misunderstanding of the creative control a Producer has.  We clearly have two different interpretations of the script, which we did not realize before they hired me.  I gave her the list of responsibilities I am used to working under and they did not change any of them. 
 
I did listen to her suggestion about a man playing the role, (which writers gave permission to change), and waited for one to read for me, but he changed his mind.  Then a woman wanted it and she read well, so I simply went ahead with it.  The casting of this show has been very difficult and taken over a week to do, some auditions done over the phone.
 
I have never worked with a Producer who makes creative decisions...ever.  It's one thing if I cast a drug addict, or order a disco ball for "Carousel", it's another if it's a female vs. male. 
 
Sad to say, I will not work under a Producer who is my Creative Consultant.  Why "hire" me if they didn't want me to interpet the script, create a vision, and work with everyone to make it happen. 
 
Lesson learned though, some theaters and producers prefer this and it should have been clear to me before this. 
 
Thank you for your experience.
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bullet Posted: 4/07/09 at 3:52pm
Originally posted by chel

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... some auditions done over the phone.
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?!?  Really?  How does THAT work?  I can't imagine casting someone without SEEING him/her perform as well as hearing him/her.
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