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bullet Posted: 11/21/08 at 3:29pm
Don't get me started ... they're the ones that won't let me rent the keyboard part for Bye, Bye Birdie without renting the ENTIRE orchestration.  They allow you to order OTHER individual books ... just not the keyboard.  Censored
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bullet Posted: 11/21/08 at 5:10pm

And then there was the time I was directing "Hello Dolly". There are two orchestrations, one for your classic Carol Channing type Dolly and one for your Barbara S. version...  I knew in advance that I wanted the Barbara version and requested it.  I figured there might be some up charge.  Come to find out (with the bill) that the Carol version comes with the package.  The Barbara is rented as an ADDITON to the carol with a full orchestration charge..

 
And whats with Sides.. Who does sides any more.
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bullet Posted: 11/21/08 at 8:06pm
Oh, how I hate those Censored sides!

It takes two read through rehearsals with kids for them to even understand wha the heck they're about!

The only reason ANYBODY ever used sides was because entire scripts were too expensive to have transcribed (when they were hand done). With computers and printers, you would think that was no longer an issue.
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bullet Posted: 11/22/08 at 1:54am
You can at least submit a request about rights for a show online, but apparently they only reply by snail mail.

I requested info on rights for a show the other day and got back a ream of paper in the mail. I found it interesting that the royalties would be based on the capacity of our theater with "the consideration that all of the seats will not be filled."

So, if all of our seats are filled, do we owe more? What if all of our seats are filled only on, say, Friday night? I guess I'll need to go wade through the fine print.

So, once again, how do you go about comparing ticket prices to royalties to find what works for you? Just keep submitting proposals with different ticket prices and having them send you out a new packet of paper each time?
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bullet Posted: 11/22/08 at 2:40am
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Okay so the invoice that they send out with your purusal copies, where do you send that too?  Can I just stick it in the box? Do I need to mail it?
I'd just stick the invoice back in the box & return it, let them work it out!Wink
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bullet Posted: 11/22/08 at 8:44am
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So, if all of our seats are filled, do we owe more? What if all of our seats are filled only on, say, Friday night? I guess I'll need to go wade through the fine print.

That is to keep people from saying they have a theatre that seats 600, but they only sell 35 tickets, so how much do THEY have to pay.

So, once again, how do you go about comparing ticket prices to royalties to find what works for you? Just keep submitting proposals with different ticket prices and having them send you out a new packet of paper each time?


Frankly, you just have to tell the truth. Musical royalties are high - much much higher than straight plays. But there IS a reason for it...you get more ticket buyers. I would imagine if you kept submitting proposals with different seat/ticket amounts, they would know you were trying to 'cheat' and not grant a license. Just grit your teeth, own up to the truth, and work with the budget you are then allowed. There is a reason that so many amateur musicals look as if they're done on a shoestring - they ARE!
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bullet Posted: 11/22/08 at 10:03am
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Frankly, you just have to tell the truth. Musical royalties are high - much much higher than straight plays. But there IS a reason for it...


There are other reasons, too. For one, there are many more hands in the royalty pie for a musical. There's the composer, the lyricist, the book writer, and in many cases the original director, choreographer, producer, etc.

Also, publishing a musical is much more involved than publishing a straight play. We recently published our first musical and it took at least 20x the time and 50x the expense to get everything ready.
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bullet Posted: 12/10/08 at 5:48pm
The rest of the bill is probably for renting the perusal scripts - I don't think they just lend them to you - you have to pay.
 
I love that other people find them as bothersome to work with as I did -- unless I absolutly HAVE TO work with them I won't!
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bullet Posted: 12/11/08 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by tristanrobin

Frankly, you just have to tell the truth. Musical royalties are high - much much higher than straight plays. But there IS a reason for it...you get more ticket buyers. I would imagine if you kept submitting proposals with different seat/ticket amounts, they would know you were trying to 'cheat' and not grant a license. Just grit your teeth, own up to the truth, and work with the budget you are then allowed. There is a reason that so many amateur musicals look as if they're done on a shoestring - they ARE!


Sorry, I guess I missed this post when you wrote it. I'm not trying to cheat. I'm trying to figure out how to price tickets for a musical for the theater we're using. I've never done a musical before.   I wanted to compare what royalties would be at say, $18 a ticket versus $25 a ticket or $30 a ticket or whatever.
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bullet Posted: 12/11/08 at 6:06pm
I would suggest working out your total budget in other areas (sets, rentals, insurance, costumes, etc.); tab on an APPROXIMATE amount for royalties; divide by the number of seats you can expect to sell. That's your ticket price. Then if you find out each ticket has to cost 387.91, you can either adjust your budget accordingly ... or do "The Odd Couple" again LOL.

Good luck! The first one is always scary - but then once you've done it,  you're hooked!
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