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    Posted: 3/08/07 at 11:33am

Hi all!  I'm a first-time poster (male, age 47), and here's my dilemma.

I was a professional performer for about five years in my early 20's.  I have a BFA in musical theater, and I did long runs in two musicals on Broadway, as well as a national touring company.  I was primarily a singer/dancer, and a marginally competent actor.  I basically retired from performing, went back to school and got a nice, respectable 9 to 5 job.
 
Okay, so now at age 47 I'm itching to get back on stage and do some community theater, after 20 years of doing nothing (unless karaoke counts).  My last performing experience was in a Broadway show, and I'm feeling very conflicted about much of my past to reveal when I go for community theater auditions. 
 
The thing is, I think my resume is way more impressive than I am.  I still have a really good voice (as amateurs go), but I haven't practiced in 20 years.  I've gained weight and will never be able to dance even remotely like I used to....and I was never much of an actor.   I'm afraid when directors (and possibly audience members) read my credentials they will be expecting great things and I will only disappoint them.  However, if I come in as your average Joe from the office, I think people will be really impressed with my voice....so I'm tempted to simply never admit that I have a performance degree and used to sing on Broadway.
 
Do you guys understand what I'm feeling?  I'd especially like to hear from directors about what they think I should do.
 
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Come on back, Comeback Kid!! 

I'm sure some community theatres would hold your professional credential against you, but most would overlook that flaw in your background. 

Seriously, community theatre isn't about resumes, its about participation!  The only way to prove anything to anyone is going to be by what you do -- not a listing of what you did.  When I was directing, resumes were not nearly as important as what I was seeing at the audition in front of me.

Think about it, a lot of community theatre folks started with no training, no experience, no nothing but getting up enough nerve to show up at an audition.  So you haven't done anything in 20 years.  So?  Where've you been?  Time to get back in the saddle and have some fun.

I don't know what kind of community theatre you've got in your parts, but in my experience with most community theatres, if you worked professionally, you are in for a very pleasant surprise!  The atmosphere in community theatre tends to be very different (if it's not, find another one!).  It's about having fun. Doesn't mean that you won't work hard, but you should understand that in community theatre, high levels of artistic achievement happen more often than the stereotypes might lead you to believe and it's done despite all the distractions of life.  Having worked professionally, I found community theatre to be incredibly refreshing.  In some ways, I even found it more challenging! 

Go audition. If you don't get cast, help out with the show anyhow.  Do some tech work or stage manage or anything to get involved.  Get to know people at your community theatre and let them get to know you.  It's not always about talent.  I happen to have a very strong belief that in community theatre, the greatest benefits accrue to those who are most involved.  So, as a director, all other things being equal, I'm going to cast the person I know.  So go hang out and get known. 

If you do get cast, the process is pretty much the same as it always was:  Learn your lines and don't bump into the furniture. 

Keep us posted on how you do!


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bullet Posted: 3/09/07 at 12:17pm
>Learn your lines and don't bump into the furniture.<

And what's amazing is how often this DOESN'T happen (sorry, feeling a litle jaded right now.)

As far as the original question, I don't think anyone is going to hold your resume against you.  What director wouldn't want someone experienced in their show?  They'll see what you can do at auditions and won't have any unreasonable expectations.
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bullet Posted: 3/09/07 at 7:08pm
Since your fear seems to be that you won't live up to the expectations engendered by your resume, I suggest you try to get to auditions a little early, and when you hand in your audition sheet or resume, tell the director that you haven't been on stage for years and that you're very nervous about auditioning again. If you like, you could also ask if you could watch the auditions for a bit before getting up to read -- most directors are quite sympathetic and will be happy to do this, especially for a newcomer, but if turnout is small or if for some reason the director needs to do it differently, it may not be possible. It never hurts to ask, though. You may actually be much better than you think you are, and watching others audition might ease some of your apprehension.
 
The few times I've seen professional experience or training held against people have been for those who wanted everybody to know that they were "real actors" (as opposed to everybody else on stage with them), and did so by remaining uninvolved and aloof throughout the entire process, never attending cast parties, and in general taking themselves way too seriously. (Why is it that almost all these folks have to pull a Greta Garbo on show nights? They "vant to be alone" to engage in elaborate pre-show warm-up rituals before every performance, so you never see them except on stage.) Community theater folks are serious about theater, but few of us take OURSELVES seriously, and we don't have much tolerance for those who do. The one personality trait that I personally cannot tolerate in an actor is an inability to show enjoyment and join in the fun. (Crew are another matter -- they have a mandate from God to gripe about everything.)
 
I've also worked with former pros who came in nervous, but with a willingness to work at anything as long as it was in a theater, who knew they still had things to learn and that they could learn it with us, and who understood that a show isn't a competition, it's an opportunity to experience the joy that comes from creating art with a team that you love. Those have been (and continue to be) some of our most valuable members.
 
Most community theater directors are thrilled when a newcomer shows up who knows where stage left is and already owns a makeup kit -- especially if it's a guy! Go to the audition, tell the director about both your experience and your reservations, and do your darned best. If you don't get cast, offer to help in some other capacity where your experience might be a plus (maybe assistant to the choreographer?)
 
Let us know how you do! 
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Hi Chris!  Yes, you've hit the nail on the head...I'm afraid I won't live up to expectations.  I think your suggestions are very good ones.  I actually hadn't thought about "coming out" to the director in advance and expressing some of my fears and reservations, but I think that's an excellent approach.  I guess I'm used to professional auditions that take 10 seconds and are completely impersonal!
 
I totally understand what you are saying about the people who think they are too good for the show, and I can assure you that's not me.  (In case it wasn't obvious from my post, I'm a bundle of insecurities when it comes to my abilities, and I still think the fact that I ever got jobs at all was because the directors were high when I auditioned.)  I do want to perform again, of course, but I'm more interested in meeting people who share my interest in theater and having fun.  If I couldn't make friends and hang out with the other cast members socially, there would be no point in doing this at all!
 
So, Kibitzer...where have I been for the last 20 years?  Well, all over the world, actually.  I joined the US Government and have been living overseas most of the time, and I haven't had the opportunity to settle anywhere and establish any ties with a local theater.  Now I'm ready! 
 
I will also admit that my last professional experience (in the chorus of a musical on Broadway) was a rather negative one...not the show itself, but because of a combination of politics and volatile personalities.  When I left that show to "retire," I didn't think I ever wanted to perform again, and I distanced myself from the theater community, primarily because of the kind of diva attitudes and egos that Chris mentioned.  However, I would love to perform again in a welcoming and supportive community theater environment. 
 
Thanks to all three of you...this has been incredibly enouraging!  (Group hug!)
 
I have learned that a local amateur theater company is going to be putting on "Side by Side by Sondheim" later this year, which I think is a great little show...I'm going to give it a shot!  I'll keep you all posted.
 
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bullet Posted: 3/10/07 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by Chris Polo

(Crew are another matter -- they have a mandate from God to gripe about everything.)
 
 
This is not very nice......
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
I'd rather act, but they found out I can do tech & sets!!
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bullet Posted: 3/10/07 at 2:08pm
Originally posted by MikeO

Originally posted by Chris Polo

(Crew are another matter -- they have a mandate from God to gripe about everything.)
 
 
This is not very nice......
 
Pardon, should have added that we have that mandate because we've EARNED it! LOL 
 
(Had my director hat on for my first response, but I work crew in some form or another for most of our shows ...)
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bullet Posted: 3/10/07 at 2:46pm
I've only seen one "impersonal" community theater audition, when 50 people showed up for a Shadow Box audition, and the director had his hands full just trying to keep up with it all. (Aside to Kibitzer: WDL!) Most directors are folks just like you; they're there because they love theater, and they're very approachable. There's also another side to community theater auditions that may not be apparent to first-timers -- our theaters are always looking to expand the talent pool, and because we don't pay, we have to hope that you'll LIKE us enough to want to work with us! So keep in mind that the director and staff at the auditions are also auditioning -- for YOU.  There's balance of power on both sides, so it's quite different from what you're used to in the professional theater world.
 
"Side By Side" should be an excellent choice for you. That piece relies more on singing than acting -- since you're a little worried about your acting, it would be a great transition back to the stage for you. If you're not right for this show but you liked what you saw, don't give up -- ask the director what you can do to improve your chances next time, work crew for this one, and look forward to the next one. If they flunk their audition with YOU, try for the next one anyway, because it will be a whole new team in charge.
 
Originally posted by ComebackKid

 
I totally understand what you are saying about the people who think they are too good for the show, and I can assure you that's not me. 
 
I was going to note in my previous post that it was quite obvious that you didn't fall into the "I've been a professional so I'm better than you" category, but my keyboard got away from me! (DANG that attention deficit disorder!)
 
It sounds like you're coming back to theater for all the best reasons -- IMHO, any theater that gets you is gonna be darned lucky!
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bullet Posted: 3/10/07 at 10:23pm
Aw, shucks!  Embarrassed
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bullet Posted: 3/19/07 at 11:44pm

Maybe go for the middle ground- say you have some professional experience from eons ago, and you're pretty rusty, be self-deprecating about it but provide details if probed.  I think that balances against the contradictory instincts of "I won't give him a chance because this has-been is so full of himself to tell me what he did half his life ago" and "I won't give him a chance because he didn't write anything on his resume and is probably too old to be learning a new trick."

 
By the way, hope it works out for ya.
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