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bullet Posted: 11/11/06 at 8:53pm
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I'm probably going to open a can of worms by saying this but why is it that actors are 'forgiven' for having lives and missing rehearsals? We directors put hours of work into a play even before rehearsals begin, we are usually one of the first to arrive and the last to leave and barring being seriously ill we never miss a rehearsal. Maybe somebody can explain this to me.


I don't know how it is there but around here the director sets the rehearsal schedule. Makes it pretty easy for them to be available.
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bullet Posted: 11/11/06 at 9:47pm
That's true.  I set my rehearsal schedule even before I audition. That way I can make everybody aware of the commitment level of each role.   And those I cast then can work their lives around the dates they know they are required. ANd they can tell me their conflicts before we even start rehearsals.  And I am flexibl to changing things up if all those involved are in favour of the change. I just wonder why it is that some actors feel that they aren't requried to put in the same commiment level as the director. I think that's why I try to do plays with small cast sizes-six or less.  I just sense so much frustration out there.  And I know,there's not an easy fix to this and it's all part of being in theatre.  I think I need to go out for a drink with a few of my theatre friends.  Bring on the vodka coolers or red wine.
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bullet Posted: 11/11/06 at 10:16pm
A lot of it has to do with the director. If actors know or sense that an absence will not be tolerated and that they will be replaced, they will rearrange their schedules and be at all rehearsals no matter what just the same way that they rearrange their schedule to be at all performances no matter what. However, if actors realize they will be allowed to miss rehearsals they will start doing so. I've been involved in plays where no one in a lage cast missed one rehearsal and in others where there was not one night when everyone was there, including dress rehearsal. Same community theater, different directors.
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bullet Posted: 11/11/06 at 11:44pm
I agree it depends a lot on the director. Please don't get the idea that I'm defending skipping rehearsals, far from it. I'm just not going to deny the fact that I have occasionally been late or even had to miss a rehearsal because of work. It doesn't happen often and I always let the director know ahead of time. I do not feel like the fact that I'm not in a position to lose a paying day job for a non-paying theater job demonstrates a lack of commitment. I know that a lot of people have this problem including some directors I have worked with, scheduling is just one of the many things that makes community theater the adventure we all know and love.

Also, ahem, any community theater actor worth their salt dedicates quite a few hours of "personal time" to memorization and character work. Just saying.
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bullet Posted: 11/12/06 at 1:20am

I didn't even make the rehearsal schedule until I gave the cast the opportunity to write themselves out of all previously scheduled dates.  Then I could make the schedule and not have any conflicts.  I am willing to bend, mold, rearrange MY OWN schedule to match whatever they say they will do.  So that's why I'm hacked off when somebody doesn't show up because they found something better to do that night.

By the way, the young woman in question came up to me as soon as she saw me today and aplogized in front of another cast member.  I pulled her aside so as not to include any one else in the conversation and told her that I needed to know that I could count on her to be at all of the remaining rehearsals.  I guess we'll see.

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bullet Posted: 11/12/06 at 8:59am

I do what Kathy does. I make a tentative schedule then ask the cast to give me all of their conflicts at the first rehearsal. I adjust the schedule and we have a calendar that we stick to. I even put in snow dates for rehearsing in the winter months. I tell them I hate wasting time: theirs and mine. I promise them that if they are called to rehearsal they will rehearse. On the flip side I ask them to let me know as soon as possible if something comes up so I can adjust the schedule.

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bullet Posted: 11/12/06 at 9:44am

I do all that too. State a general idea of rehearsal days at auditions, and then at read thru ask for them to bring their calendars and mark off the days they have conflicts.  Then I can schedule upcoming rehearsals by act and scene, and if someone can't be there, I schedule a scene they are not in the night they have the conflict. If they are not in a scene they don't have to attend. But later on, closer to opening, when we are running the full show, it never fails, people get sick, work schedules gets changed, someone has an wedding anniversary that they don't dare put off until after the show, etc. I think it is important to be flexible, and it is frustrating, but what do you do? Our show opens in two weeks and now, one of my leads has been appointed to a town board that meets on Wednesdays, so we lose him on Wednesdays until dress rehearsal. Now, I don't think his town meeting is that important, I think the show should come first but I can't force him to attend.

I think the smaller CT's are at a major disadvantage here.  Less warm bodies to choose from. We are lucky to have enough people at auditions to cast the show without having to beat the bushes for a cast. So, we have to be flexible.  I am not a "softy" director, but I also can't afford to tick anyone off by insisting they must choose the rehearsal over something else important to them. Often the people who are outgoing enough to be involved in a CT, are also the ones who are on other boards, in other community organizations, all of us burning the candle at both ends and in the middle.  The show still goes on and is fabulous.

 

 

 

 

 

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bullet Posted: 11/13/06 at 1:19pm
suzecue - good point about smaller CTs.  I always think of everyone being in a bigger town doing CT, but that's obviously not the case at all times!  I think it is a give and take situation.  The director needs to be upfront with rehearsal scheduling and the director also needs to get the conflict information from the cast and be flexible with the scheduling.  Honestly, if you don't have much of a pool to chose from - you might have to deal such things.  In my case, I'm in a pretty active arts town - so we can always recruit and rework some casting issues.  If you're in a town of 10,000 - you probably don't have that choice. 
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I know many will agree with you, Topper, but I find the whole thing rather annoying.  Parents allow their kids to audition when they must reasonably know what their current schedules will allow.  It doesn't take a genius to look at show dates, hear or read what the director's expectations are, and make an intelligent decision before this whole situation erupts.  As a director, I do not feel it is my job to work out car pools, homework schedules, and so on for people in my cast or their parents.  It seems to me that too many parents just won't say "No" to their kids and expect everyone else to accomodate them, as though the desire to participate is the only obligation necessary on their end.  Frankly, I tend to stay away from kids shows for that reason (I taught for 30 1/2 years and had no choice but to put up with it).  I have been in shows, though, where parents seem oblivious to the notion of being responsible which has meant their kids have been, too. 
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bullet Posted: 12/13/06 at 8:57am
Ah, the joys of working with children!  I was finally able to get in touch with the parent of the children I originally posted about and they ended up NOT doing the show (not a big loss).  I also had a group of older girls miss two rehearsals during hell week because of sports, and another child (a Herdman, no less) miss our last rehearsal because of holiday photos!  Oh well!
 
I agree w/ Juror #3 that it is not the responsibility of the director to arrange carpools, homework, meals, bedtimes, illness, family photos, etc.  That belongs to the parents.  In my case, this was the first opportunity the children here had of ever doing theatre and they all wanted a chance to give it a try.  I give them a hand for wanting to try something new.  I've always worked with children and will continue to do so, but I've learned a lot about working with this group, though.  My shows will have fewer children; it will be understood from day one that missing X number of rehearsals will mean recasting with an understudy; and parents will "volunteer" their time working backstage, taking tickets, etc. 
 
I already have a dozen kids who want to be in the next production, and the town is screaming for more, so it's on with the show.
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