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bullet Posted: 10/06/05 at 7:28am
I work for a restoration company ( although I am not a carpenter) and I walk by a stack of wood I beams every day ( we call them TJI's) and I never thought about using them for the span.....that's a good idea...anything to lessen the weight.  Thanks for the input.....J
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bullet Posted: 10/06/05 at 1:16pm

Another low-tech approach to consider is the periactoy, a three sided "flat" that is usually on casters. Lining up a few (3?) of them could easily cover 16 feet of width. They consume a lot of space, but you don't have to deal with the rigging each time. You can paint to your heart's content on a hard surface, and you have the option of three scenes that can be rotated into position quite quickly.

I gave up on rolling in flats as you suggest a while ago. Drops that have been painted more than once tend to get serious wrinkles in them, destroying the illusion.

 

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bullet Posted: 10/06/05 at 2:39pm

Once again I have learned something useful!  I have never heard of a "periactoy"  but the concept seems simple, sound and approachable by a fumbler like me.  Some of the theaters we work in have very shallow stages.....12' or so.  They are old converted music halls.  Depth of the set is always a problem.  I was thinking along the lines of a two sided wooden "flat" that rotated on center pins top and bottom and drops could be mounted on the back side, turned at the scene change and then the other side could be changed.  I actually tried to build this last spring and ran out of time before the season started.  It may take shape this winter but I am going to try rolling drops first. 

I never paint over my drops.  They are general for Shakespeare..you know, street, interior, tomb, church, feast etc. I am building a library of them and by making them actually in three panels  they can mix and match from play to play.  Of course, now that I have Romeo and Juliet, Othello and Taming of the Shrew covered the cast wants to do Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf this spring.  I really can't work in this century at all.  They're getting black curtains. 

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bullet Posted: 10/07/05 at 5:46am

It's a periactoi.
Look under this post on this site!
http://communitytheater.org/discuss/forum/forum_posts.asp? TID=1269&KW=periactoi
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bullet Posted: 10/07/05 at 11:54pm
I think I have probably posited this here before?
Anyway it might be worth a read for Joan & others doing some of old Bills productions.
http://www.aboutseniors.com.au/ShackleStories.html#Shakesp eare

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bullet Posted: 10/07/05 at 11:59pm

The concept comes from ancient Greece. I have never seen it spelled that way before. I am sure, however, that the way I spelled it is an horrible "Americanization" of the proper spelling, and I stand corrected!

I have used three of them to great effect in a performance where one of the sides had a snug fitting door in it, and after the pieces rotated a few times (all in unison, timed to the music) the doors opened, and the actor/technicians who had been hiding inside hopped out and did a musical number. I don't have photos from that production, but the following link shows photos of a show I did where there was a single periactoi that was used to great effect.

http://members.aol.com/bmiller025/ThreeHotels.htm

The play takes place in three different hotel rooms - in Morocco, in the Caribbean, and finally, in Oaxaca, Mexico. The Periactoi served as a window in each of the three rooms. I was able to light each of the windows in distinctive, very different ways, to help create each of the scenes.

Joan, a few years ago, I did a professional production of The Phantom where they built these very ornate, beautifully-made rotating steel framed flats that spun around (maybe 3' x 8', and had interchangeable panels which could be changed from behind during scenes. It didn't work too well. The walls wiggled when the panels were changed, and it was very hard to prevent the walls from inadvertently rotating when they were being changed. A big distraction. Very cool concept, but it was too hard to pull off.

 

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bullet Posted: 10/08/05 at 2:38am
http://www1.appstate.edu/orgs/spectacle/Pages/16thscenechang e.html
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I have used them over the years, but if you remember 'KISS" {Keep It Simple Stupid] principal, they can work well, along with sliding flats & revolving wing flats.
These are fraught with problems of things getting caught up in the tracks & jamming up the works.
Hand paging curtains or the use of pick up poles at the lead train of the tab, works in blackout or a performer can work it as part of the show.
The Italian theatre of the 1700?s, used sliding flats in grooves on the stage [along with the Chinese]  & the Italians went to great strife incorporating wagons/trucks under the stage connected to rods & choreographed the scene change s, as an integral part of the performance.

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I would use Lighting truss (can be costly) but its rated pretty high and you can mount winches (like the crappy atv ones or the high quality theatre ones) on the truss...BEST PART!!!Lighting trusses are designed to be portable
Im a great 11 student whose a lighting designer...if you got ideas...send em!
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Use the idea of the rolling blind...

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bullet Posted: 3/21/06 at 3:01pm

Dear Joan,

     I was on this site looking for info when I saw your post. We have successfully used a large format pipe and drape system for several years. We sew the 108 widths together to creat 18 by 40 ft backdrops then hang on the frame supported by adjustable poles. It is labor intensive at first but I can give you more info if you are interested because this is the closet thing we had until we got a theatre with a fly loft.

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