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triple_threat
Walk-On Joined: 9/03/05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
Topic: Horrible Audition Feedback! Posted: 9/03/05 at 2:45pm |
So, I recently auditioned for a show, and I just got a call from the director
that I didn't make it. Fine, I'm ok with that, you can't win them all. So I ask her if she has any feedback for me. She tells me my movement was "good", my reading was "good", and all she said about my singing was that I had "pitch issues". Yes, I did get off in one spot, very briefly, due to nervousness, but I corrected it right away, and for that to be her only comment I found a bit disappointing. At the time, I hadn't even thought it was that big of a deal. So to make matters worse, then she asks me if I've considered taking vocal training. That's when I tell her I have a degree in voice. I am absolutely horrified that after 4 years of training (at a very reputable university program) she honestly couldn't tell. Do you think that making a mistake like this can hide your technique and training? Does this mean that unless I give a flawless performance directors will pass me over? I am a fairly experienced small-town performer, but this was my first "big-city" community theatre audition. |
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Kathy S
Celebrity Joined: 8/21/04 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 303 |
Posted: 9/05/05 at 11:03pm |
I don't know how relevant this little allegory is to your situation, but I enjoy telling it and I believe it illustrates the fact that sometimes the "experts" don't know what the heck they are talking about. OK here's my story: One year my family hosted an exchange student from Germany whose command of the English language and perfect pronunciation often disguised the fact that she was not a native English speaker. She was also a very talented musician -- vocally and on the piano. While in our home she had the opportunity to go to a college campus and participate in a vocal music event whereby she would prepare and present a vocal piece for a professor of music who would critique her work. The piece she used was from Mozart opera and sung in German. When she had finished presenting her piece, the only negative comment the professional had was that she needed work on her German accent! (Take that Henry Higgins!) I think the experts don't always recognise the talent that they are seeing. |
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jayzehr
Celebrity Joined: 8/11/05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 537 |
Posted: 9/06/05 at 11:46am |
Plus, you can't assume that someone is an "expert" just because they happen to be directing a play. And speaking from my experiences as a director, it can be overwhelming to look at so many people in such a short time. You don't have long to make decisions and unfortunately they can wind up being very arbitrary. You say you were off pitch in just one spot. That alone might have been enough for the director to make a snap decision, especially if she was looking at a lot of people. In another audition a director might realize it was a case of nerves in an otherwise talented performer and overlook it; in another audition you might not make a mistake at all. So don't worry about it. But do make sure you communicate that you have a degree in voice, that could help directors overlook a mistake. If you haven't already, make up some sort of one page resume that includes that information to bring with you to the audition. (Maybe that's standard practice in larger cities, I also only have small town experience.) |
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triple_threat
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Posted: 9/06/05 at 5:48pm |
Actually, I did have a resume with me. I don't think they even looked at it.
Thanks for the support though. I also realized after that I was talking only to the director (there was also a music director present in the audition). I keep telling myself that surely she would not have said the same thing. A friend of mine and I also had a similar situation in University. We both went through French immersion and at our vocal juries the same ajudicator told us our French pronunciation needed work. |
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Shatcher
Celebrity Joined: 2/21/05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 251 |
Posted: 9/07/05 at 11:13am |
Often you will find in community theatre, directors who have never had any vocal training and couldn't tall a trained singer from an untrained one if their lives depended on it. (no one here would be guilty of that!) also a lot of community theatre folks will not cast someone they think is more talented then they are themselves. Just remember that theatre people tend to have large egos (myself included) and get their feelings hurt easily. Theatre is art not science and there is no one way to do anything. One last point... if this was a big city adution remember the pool of actors a director has to choose from is a lot bigger. maybe this director just lost track of who she was talking to? It is her loss. I would love to have a cast member trained in voice on any show I do. I can always use the extra help.
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pauliebonn
Star Joined: 4/15/05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 62 |
Posted: 9/26/05 at 3:21am |
If it makes you feel any better, Charlie Chaplin did come in 3rd place at a Charlie Chaplin look alike contest...so there!
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Ophelia40
Walk-On Joined: 10/02/05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
Posted: 10/02/05 at 2:09pm |
This is my first time to the discussion boards and I find it very refreshing to be able to have candid and constructive discussions about thetare issues. I am a director/actress of mostly musicals and I would like to say that AUDITION FEEDBACK is a very difficult topic. Speaking from a purely directorial position-when asked "what could I have done better to earn the part...."--you try to hit on the points that gave you an initial gut feeling--it could be the pitch problem and that alone could be the issue-or it could have been body type/age/the way the actor responded to the script or intrepreted the song.......and not in any way to insult Triple Threat-but I have worked with many an actor who has taken voice lessons or has majored in voice whose voice is horrible and if you are going to be directing musicals -you had better have a grasp of music and understand the vocal process!!! I think it is personal preference and what the image is in the mind of the director of what the part should sound like. But be rest assured that if you were memorabile in the audition-you will be remembered the next time. Your time will come.
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Alan
Walk-On Joined: 9/18/05 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
Posted: 10/13/05 at 4:20pm |
I had an experience recently where I knew my voice was not a problem, but my cold reading went less than perfect. The audtion process (for Bye Bye Birdie) started on a Sunday afternoon. I went for the part of Mr. Macafee, but after I sang "Kids", the director asked me how old I was, and asked if I knew "Put on a Happy Face". I sang it, then we went to the mirror to do some "light dancing". He noted I moved "naturally" as he put it. I was told they were considering me for the lead role of Albert Pederson, and invited me for the call-backs the following Wednesday. I had to sing second, and in front of perhaps 60 people. Again, the singing went well. Then came the cold-readings. That's when I started to lose my confidence. It just didn't come out right. I was asked to read the "Albert" part with three different prospective "Rosies". Many of the other men read Albert, but were then asked to read a few other roles. I wasn't invited back up. I thought "man, I guess that went really badly -- they're not even considering me for another role". To my surprise and delight, I got a call the next evening inviting me to take the lead role of Albert. I was stunned. I told the director that I didn't think my reading went well, and about how much I didn't like doing the cold readings. He told me that my voice was outstanding, and my rythm was great. He recognized that my reading needed a bit of work, but he pointed out that each time I read, I read first in the group. The others had the opportunity to hear me read the part before they went up and so they had an advantage that I had. He also pointed out that the acting they could work on, but the other males auditioning didn't have the voice for the part and that simply could not be learned at this point. And so my point here is to say that I was lucky to go in front of a group who were able to distinguish learnable skills from non-learnable ones (in their opinion), and they were fair enough to realize that having to go first each time in the readings was a disadvantage. |
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Posted: 10/13/05 at 4:46pm |
As a director, auditions can be nerve-wracking and long, long, long. Often you see many people who can act but can't sing and those who can sing but can't act. You usually end up casting those who you see have promise developing in their weak areas. Living in a large city, however, community theatre is not like where you were back home. You are competing against people who are trying to get their Equity cards and SAG cards. The director who gave you limited feedback probably made the decision before you left the audition room, because there is so much talent available in the large cities. But don't give up. If you've got what it takes, just go after the next role and make sure you warm up your voice. Also, directors of theatre are looking to see if you can act while you sing. If you're totally into the character you won't be worrying about how well you're singing--you'll just do it. |
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Wacky Neighbor
Walk-On Joined: 10/17/05 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
Posted: 10/18/05 at 9:17am |
I am new too! Unfortunately, the only shot you get, if you are an unknown quantity in a particular area, is that 16 bars. If you lost your pitch in front of a director who does not know you, how is he/she to know this was nervousness and not a consistent problem? Once you are known in an area, people can cut you more slack because they will know what you can do. Don't worry. You will prove yourself the next time., We've all had difficult auditions!
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