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    Posted: 9/02/05 at 12:36am
Perhaps this follows along with membership fees, but does anyone charge "actor's fees" for each show?

We've discontinued the practice ourselves, but one group charges $70 to be in the show.  I guess it helps with the costume charges.  One option is to sell $70 in ads for the program. 

Is this typical for other theatre groups as well?
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bullet Posted: 9/02/05 at 7:34am
LOL
actors pay to work?
it wouldn't work in my neck of the woods.
around here, they insist on free seats to the shows
no way would they pay to work .LOL

if your group can pull off this for fund raising, more power to you
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bullet Posted: 9/02/05 at 10:53am

Boy . . . and I complained in the other thread about somebody wanting actors to sign contracts. 

Director:  Gee, POB, we'd really love to have you play the Second Gravedigger in Hamlet.

POB: Cool. Thanks.

Director:  Of course, you'll have to pay $70 for the privilege.

POB:  Yeah, right, good one.

Director:  No, seriously, we need $70.

POB:  You gotta be @#$%ing me.

Director:  Of course, you could sell $70 in ads instead.

POB: @#$% you.  (Goes back to umpiring softball, where he actually gets paid almost enough to cover expenses of cool new gear.)

You need to get together with the folks from this thread:

http://www.communitytheater.org/discuss/forum/forum_posts.as p?TID=1571

and meet in the middle.  They're reimbursing actors; your other group wants to charge them!

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bullet Posted: 9/02/05 at 11:28am

I am so grateful that people will actually take time away from their families, pay babysitters, rearrange their work schedules, and take vacation time to be in one our shows I wouldn't dream of charging them a penny.

Our theater gets underwriting, sponsors and sells ads to make ends meet. Years ago my theater use to make actors for their own scripts. I said, "Ridiculous! If we can't afford something as basic as  scripts for the actors we can't afford to do the show!"

Charge actors? Never.

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bullet Posted: 9/02/05 at 12:46pm
In New York, L.A. and Chicago it is not unusual for
some venues to host a "Showcase" for actors. The
actors pay a fee to participate and are responsible
for selecting a scene or monologue and then
rehearsing it themselves until it is ready for
presentation. The money is paid to cover the
expense of renting the space plus a profit for
whomever is "hosting" the showcase.

On the night of the Showcase, there is an invited
audience of agents, directors, producers and casting
directors for Broadway, Film and Television. These
people are not charged to attend and are usually
lured with promises of drinks and hors d'oeuvres.
How many of these bigwigs actually show up is
anybody's guess.

Other audience members (usually friends and family
of the actors/participants) are charged a ticket price.

In this case the actors are paying for the opportunity
to get access and exposure to professionals who
might be able to further their careers. Ya place your
bets, ya take your chances.

So, Scott B, unless you can promise Mr. Guffman
will attend some performances of your shows, I see
no purpose for charging actors to appear in them.

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bullet Posted: 9/02/05 at 9:49pm
"So, Scott B, unless you can promise Mr. Guffman
will attend some performances of your shows, I see
no purpose for charging actors to appear in them."

LOVE IT!

When our group got started about 6 or 7 years ago, (I was not on the board at that time) they borrowed the by-laws, contracts, and the way they operated from the theatre group I referred to.  Having an actor's fee was one of them.  I think at the time was $25 per actor.  The purpose was of course to help defray the expenses.

They just finished their run of "Joseph" and their fee was $70 which I felt was outragous. 

Since my experience in community theatre is limited to our group and theirs, I just wondered if what was going on could be considered "normal."

BTW ... they still don't make money with the fees.
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bullet Posted: 9/03/05 at 11:30am

I act in a small youth theater with almost no money. It costs $125 to be in a performance with $15 returned if you keep your costume in good condition. But that's a youth theater so it is different. Also, you get 2 free tickets to a show of your choice and discounted tickets for the shows for your imediate (probaby spelled wrong, I can't spell in the summer) family. So it really isn't that bad. My parents pay it everytime and say its cheap for the amount of hours we get.

 

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bullet Posted: 9/03/05 at 1:26pm

Oh my, I couldn't imagine charging performers to be in a show.  Often it's hard enough to get enough people to cast a show and then to ask them to pay for it, we'd never get a show cast.

I can see charging a fee for "educational" theatre.  Like a tution if the project involves workshop time and eductional things, I've heard of this done in a lot of youth theatres.  That makes sense, esspecially when parents aren't affriad to fork over big bucks so Little Johnny can play youth sports or go to basketball (or whatever) camp.  A fee for the same experience in the theatre for kids seems reasonable.

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bullet Posted: 10/05/05 at 2:12pm

I recently worked with a group in Florida that charged their performers twice.  They first charged a refundable script deposit of $25.00, and then a $10.00 costume fee.  Not truly a great expense, but still an expense.

But here is the kicker!!! The group also insisted that their volunteer performers sign a liability waiver before they would allow them to perform.  This was absolutely absurd, but other than a few dissenters, everyone complied.

In addition, every rehearsal was tainted by demands that the performers go out and sell tickets, and program advertising.  The top sales would be awarded a prize in the end.  A CD player (@$20.00).  Tickets sold for $20.00, and no complimentary tickets were distributed except for the preview night.

Fees for community theater productions are questionable.  You never know what people will pay to volunteer their time.  Some look at the fee as an assurance of a part, or as possibly even buying the role.  If you want the role, it will cost you $XX.xx to perform.

Just remember, there is a certain degree of whore in every performer.  While you may not get the actor you want for a role because the actor refuses to pay a fee, there will always be someone waiting in the wings.

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bullet Posted: 10/05/05 at 2:43pm

Just a follow up to this topic, yet in a slightly different vein.

An Actor Fee is really not that strange a concept, since for the most part it is upfront.  It is the backend fees that seem to irk most performers.

In nearly every production I have been associated, there have always been the hidden fees of production.  I refer to the Cast Gifts.

For some strange reason, within most every cast, there is a potential gift giver that collects money for gifts.  The amount has always varied based on the size of the cast, but on average it has been in the $5 to $10 range.

For those unfamiliar with this event I will briefly describe. This collection is passed around in order that a gift or gifts may be purchased to thank the director and crew for their work.  Work, that in many cases they were paid to perform.

While there are varying opinions about this action, in many cases, the general concensus has been:  If you don't give money for the gift, you are ungrateful, and it gets around.

As a director and performer, I have always maintained certain principal guidelines for directing.

If I get paid, and my actors do not, I request that no thanks in necessary other than the best performace possible. Please nothing more than a card.

Depending on the size of my cast, I will generally take them out to a reasonable dinner or order in food for larger cast.  This generally runs about a third of my fee, and pays back ten fold.

For small cast, I generally insist that performer names are included on posters, and will frame copies for the cast (depending on Quality)

And most importantly, I always take care of my Stage Manager, who usually never gets paid, and never gets any glory.

As far as fees go, it is anyone's guess as to what actor's will pay.  Just make sure they are equitable.

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