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    Posted: 5/16/05 at 8:46pm
This is actually the reason why I joined up in this forum.  I recently got an offer to play a double role with a friend's community theatre presentation.  I know this has been done in the past, but as far as my own talents are concerned, I'm kind of unsure that I could pull it off on the theatre stage.  Anyone else ever have a chance to take on this type of role or possibly know more about it than I do.
 
I can only think of a few times that this has been successful on the big screen.  Peter Sellers was amazing pulling off multiple characters and being hilarious doing it, and Naomi Watts was excellent in "Mulholland Drive."  Most recently, the actress Marie Bonnevie did an amazing job playing two completely opposite personalities in the film "Reconstruction," but, of course, the brilliant cinematography really helped separate her characters as well (it was finally released by Universal after what seemed like forever).  Anyone who's seen these films also knows how talented these actors/actresses are, too.
 
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bullet Posted: 5/17/05 at 8:28am
I'm involved in a production right now of "Spoon River
Anthology" (actually, we open this weekend). Four actors
portray 60+ characters.

The main challenge with dual roles is that the same amount of
work done for any characterization, must be done twice.
Frankly, that's a lot of work ... but a good director can ease the
way for you by being very specific about the goals for each
character.

There are plays, of course, that almost require dual-role-
playing - though the plays technically have one character going
through EXTREME personality changes ("The Mousetrap,"
"The Nerd," etc.), the actor is basically building two separate
characterizations.

Good luck!
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bullet Posted: 5/17/05 at 6:03pm
I know it's going to be a lot of extra work, but I'm also worried about being able to separate both characters in the performance, too.  Sure, there's costume changes, etc, but you still want audience to see you as two separate characters as well, unless, of course, there's an inherent connection between the characters that you want to express.

The reason why I brought up Reconstruction is because Marie does such an excellent job at the split, even though we're supposed to see the duality of her characters.  Sometimes you even forget that one woman is playing both roles...yet both characters have a similar bond that they're lovers of the protagonist, if that makes any sense at all (probably not, lol).

Thanks for the info though, I'll have to tell you how it comes along in the next few weeks.
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bullet Posted: 5/20/05 at 12:48am
Dual roles can actually be fun to play. The difficulty involved depends partly on the kind of roles you have, and on your acting style.

The way that I try to pull this off is to develop as much "character contrast" as I can.
Physical (the simple stuff):
*Costume changes should try to do what you can to be different (colors, hats, styles, hair, glasses -- just don't overdo it).
*Don't plan on changing makeup, unless you have time to do it right. If you really, really, have to do a quick makeup change, you will need several competent people waiting in the wings ready to give you a power makeover.

Acting (the harder stuff):
My own personal preference is to take ownership (internalize) my character. When I am on stage, I am that character. When I leave, the character stays there. You probably do something similar. Playing a double role isn't much different. If you've been in more than one play, you've internalized more than one role in your life. This is the same, only on a more compressed time scale.
The twist that you need to add over playing a single role is the concept of character contrast. There is usually more than one way to play a role. You basically need to make sure that your different roles pick interpretations of their parts that are different from one another. Use all the tools in your arsenal: voice, pace, posture, movement, etc. I find that if all the characters I own all _think_ differently, then the character contrast just comes naturally.

I've done this in several plays. In an extreme case, I had to play 5 roles in the same play due to unexpected dropouts. They were all single scene characters, so it was at least possible to do. That was wierd, but an interesting challenge.

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bullet Posted: 11/16/06 at 11:13am

For our shows often we have students with two or sometimes more roles (once we had a great little actress play 5 roles!!).

 Our biggest problem never seemed to be getting the character right but getting costume changes done on time!

 I have in one show, played a commoner and her queen.  An interesting experience to be sure.  Lucky for me they were extremes.  Also in a whacked out version of the Shrew I played a scene as Katerina and was fully cast as Baptista Minoloa (who happened to be a famous Soap Opera actress).  Both were exciting experiences.  As I said though, the main problem was changing from Baptista's mini dress to Kate's in a matter of a few minutes!

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bullet Posted: 11/16/06 at 1:44pm
But is one actor playing multiple roles a copyright violation?
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bullet Posted: 11/16/06 at 2:13pm

Originally posted by jayzehr

But is one actor playing multiple roles a copyright violation?

I don't think there is any copyright violation in this regard.  Hard to say. But why would there be if there is??  Can't really think of one - especially if for instance, an emergency arose and one person had to drop out last minute or something - only to be able to fill it with someone already familiar with what is going on onstage - that's either the director or another actor who might be filling in a smaller role someplace else in the show.  So actors CAN and DO double all the time...in shows where you really don't have a way to accommodate the masses.

There is a show I directed a number of years ago - called THE DINING ROOM.  FUN show to do and much like TristanRobins show with 60 characters - this one had 6 or 7 actors doing anywhere from 4 - 6 characters each or thereabout (can't remember too long ago).  But the KEY I think - from the standpoint as a director first is that you cast people who you know can handle those scene to scene transitions and shifts of character.  Now if YOU as a director can't give them what they need to be able to do that should they not readily possess that capability, then perhaps it's a bad choice to try to direct something of that specific nature.

As an actor, I think what it boils down to is nothing more than analysis - sheer HOMEWORK working toward finding those things which define clearly each character that has to be portrayed. There is one scene where 5 or 6 of the characters are children at a dinner table at a birthday party.  And in the next scene they're adults with one of them as an old lady.  But you just have to find the things about each individual character that clearly defines who they are and then work toward acting out those characteristics.  I'll tell you - I wouldn't want to do it as an actor.  I WAS able to do it as a director becasue first, I had GREAT actors.  But secondly as a director it was like directing 30 - 40 some odd DIFFERENT character actors. All I could convey is what I saw NOT out of the 6 or 7 actors I used, but what I needed to see from AN ACTOR PLAYING A INDIVIDUAL ROLE!!!  As I recall, I think I even did some shifting around of character types from the script, utilizing the strengths that each actor possessed to be able to handle the "character type" I felt they could best portray.  Now as in TristanRobins case - with only 4 actors playing 60 roles - let's see the math = 15 roles apiece more or less depending upon what the script called for.  THAT is tougher still.

Honestly I think it's just a matter of strength of the actor and the ability to consciously SHIFT gears without flinching, and NOT carrying one character over into another UNLESS there are SUPPOSED to be similarities.  Takes a lot of thought and a lot of homework.  FURTHER, it takes an audience a little time to "get it" or to "catch on" but once they do - and that has to happen quickly in the beginning of the show - but once they do, then it becomes much easier for an actor to "put it out there" and have it be accepted - EVEN if for some reason there is some occasional bleed over of one character in one scene to another character in another scene.  Audiences - by that time (we hope) have caught on and are willing to take the ride with you regardless.  BUT MAN it IS HARD to do.  It is a great exercise though for an actor.

Sounds like fun.  Be sure to HAVE some fun.  Drastic changes can make it a lot easier...subtle changes are harder to pull off. Good luck.

 

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bullet Posted: 11/16/06 at 4:23pm
What show is this dual role in?

(And, by the way, you totally rock for mentioning Mulholland Dr., which is probably my favorite movie ever.)

Just some thoughts on double roles: I think they work best with two elements:
1. a great makeup artist who can actually make them look different (unless there's a metatheatrical joke about how they're played by the same actor, eg, the constables in Accidental Death of an Anarchist).

2. some sort of thematic reason.

I've been in a number of shows where I've had a handful of bit parts or something (eg, Shakespeare), and my feeling has always been that it lessens the impact I can make with any of the roles, because it's some bar to suspension of disbelief.  I'd rather be in the show less and just be one role.  When I direct, I make every effort not to give actors multiple roles.

One exception that I think works really well is where the combination of characters lends some interesting meaning to the show, by drawing a parallel between characters.  E.g.,
casting the same actor as Theseus and Oberon in Midsummer, or both dukes in As You Like It.

Probably one of the most interesting uses of an actor in dual roles was in a production I saw of Romeo & Juliet, where the actor who played Tybalt got his revenge on Romeo from the grave, in a sense, by also playing the apothecary!
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bullet Posted: 11/16/06 at 6:33pm
Originally posted by TonyDi


I don't think there is any copyright violation in this regard.  Hard to say. But why would there be if there is??  Can't really think of one - especially if for instance, an emergency arose and one person had to drop out last minute or something - only to be able to fill it with someone already familiar with what is going on onstage - that's either the director or another actor who might be filling in a smaller role someplace else in the show.  So actors CAN and DO double all the time...in shows where you really don't have a way to accommodate the masses.


Sure, it happens all the time. People also change profanity and gender (often in "emergency" situations) all the time and we've already established that is a copyright infrigement.  Someone also talks about double casting for "thematic" reasons. How far could you take that? Say someone insane has a thematic reason to cast the same actor as Felix and Oscar or Estragon and Vladimir? Couldn't that show be shut down? So where is the line in between that and double casting minor characters? I don't know, I'm just asking. It seems OK with me but I thought it was OK to change actor gender without getting permission.
 
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bullet Posted: 11/17/06 at 12:04am
Ok, just to defend what I actually said:
Obviously having the same actor play Felix and Oscar, since they're on stage together, would be a material change to the script, and therefore a copyright violation.  I never suggested anything as ridiculous as that.

And while I can't profess to know whether casting an actor in multiple roles is a copyright violation in situations where they physically could be played by the same actor, you should note that I covered myself by solely mentioning examples from Shakespeare, which is public domain.

By the way, I have a username; you make it sound like I'm an enigma ("Someone also talks about....").
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