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    Posted: 2/04/05 at 5:05pm

I'm in an acting class Jr College and our class is doing a full production show. Our director is a bit of a flake. Most of us in class had him last semester and were used to him being a tad flakey, but he really wasn't "directing" so much.

Here's his backstory. He did a lot of shows in college...mosly bit parts or "age" (old men). He did repetoire theatre and a lot of Shakespeare festivals. I feel he's got a lot of experience and knowledge, but he's really "into" himself. He's a name dropper too. He rarely speaks in complete sentances (much like I am now). When he's directing it's kind of like this..."Okay, now just think you're like...New York! Yeah! And you do your nails...chew gum and just be like......ya know just be like...BAMM! There, now show me that!"

We started blocking our show yesterday and...well...we didn't really block much. It was like a reading...but we were standing up and walking in all different directions as we thought we might. Of course we'd end up somewhere we shouldn't have and then realize it and jump to that area of the set and pick up the phone or whatever we were supposed to do. I felt like a dying fish on a pier. Now I haven't done a full show since high school (in my late 20's now) but I remember blocking was very specific and I wrote it down in my script. This was nothing like I'm used to. Is it normal? I understand that directors work differently than others, but it just didn't feel very productive. We did scenes last semester which he was supposed to direct (each groups) and he did as far as acting, but my scene partnet and I pretty much directed ourselves and did our own blocking and it was leagues better than the others. I'm not bragging, it just was. He even admitted it

How do you bring something like this up to a director? Do you just smile and do your own thing to get the show done (since that's what I did last time)?

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bullet Posted: 2/04/05 at 5:55pm
As Nigel Tufnel said to David St. Hubbins, "There's a
fine line between clever and stupid."
There's also a fine line between genius and
flakiness.
I'm not saying your director is either of the above,
(and quite possibly several of his personalities
might fall into either category) but somebody needs
to chill out if you're only into your second day of
rehearsal and already you're losing faith in your
director.
You haven't done a show since high school? At that
level of experience, it's often very typical for a director
to "map out" the blocking from day one. "You stand
here ... you stand there ... move on that line ... etc."
Now you're in college and expected to be a little
more in tune with your instrument. Many directors
like to approach blocking this way in a more free
form, improvisational matter, letting the characters
follow their instincts, doing what they "feel" is right.   
Does that sound flaky to you? No! You said yourself,
you directed your own scene work, allowing your
natural instincts to move the characters around.
Blocking is not often etched in stone. Once actual
props and costume changes are tossed into the mix,
it's quite possible a character "feels" he needs to be
closer to the exit to make the scene work -- so the
blocking changes to suit.
Give your director another week to see what
happens next. If you're still having doubts, express
them ONLY to the stage manager or someone who's
worked with this director before, who may have more
insight into their directorial style. Don't start a mutiny
until your ankles are wet. Good luck.
"None of us really grow up. All we ever do is learn how to behave in public." -- Keith Johnstone
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bullet Posted: 2/04/05 at 7:58pm

I suppose you're right. I feel completely capable in blocking myself out. I also trust a couple other of the major charactors 100%. It's the people who've never done anything before that scare me. Plus this is a fast paced farce where the blocking needs to be dead on.

I guess the stress comes from the director laying a good deal of negativity right from the get go. Basically we have class twice a week for 2.5 hours each day. We're responsible for being in the show as well as being costumes, make-up, prop masters AD & SM and everything else including set construction although we will have a couple people from the set shop helping/supervising. The main negativity comes in when our director told us we can't start building the set untill march 1st and we go up april 22nd. I don't see a problem with this, but he's under some thought that it'll take us 300 hours to build the set. I think I could do it in a saturday or two minus set dressing and such, ya know, just getting the flats, doors, window and main painting done.

Just all in all he's really disorganized...he doesn't even have rock solid dates for the shows or even how many we're doing. I guess I just wonder when we should just take care of ourselves and take the attitude of "well that's the just way he is". When he was really stressing a few days ago he let us out of class an hour early. I nearly went to the Dean. I mean we had to really convince him that we could tape out the set in a classroom (smaller than actual set) just so we could get started with rehearsal.

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bullet Posted: 2/05/05 at 2:04am
You sound like a very confident young person!   
You're capable of creating your own blocking,
responsible for overseeing the tiniest aspects of the
production ... and now it seems you're going to take
charge of building the set as well!

How noble and industrious you are! I can see why
you've waited so long to restart your theatrical career
-- you've must've burned out from all that energy in
high school.

How silly of that director wanting to maintain some
kind of schedule! I guess you must know more
about the availability of theater than he does. Just
barge in there and build your set when the whim
strikes you!

I compliment you on your enormous restraint in not
reporting this has-been to the dean because he
obviously doesn't live up to your standards. The guy
is not worthy of someone like you who speaks so
eloquently in full sentences.

He should just turn the reigns of the production over
to someone who's so much more prepared, more in
control -- hmm, somebody like you, maybe?

What do you even need a director for? Apparently,
this pedestrian college is stifling your enormous
creativity. Why not just get out now and start your
own theater? Then you can make up your own
schedules, select your own shows, direct yourself,
tell others exactly how they should do their jobs,
build all your sets, sew all the costumes, paint all the
posters and sell the popcorn -- all precisely to your
liking.

If the other students in your class are as driven and
as knowledgeable as you, it's no wonder the director
let you go an hour early -- there's absolutely nothing
more he could possibly teach you.

I wish you all the best of luck in your fabulous career.
And please remember all the "little people" once
you've arrived.
"None of us really grow up. All we ever do is learn how to behave in public." -- Keith Johnstone
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bullet Posted: 2/05/05 at 9:14am
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You sound like a very confident young person!   
You're capable of creating your own blocking,
responsible for overseeing the tiniest aspects of the
production ... and now it seems you're going to take
charge of building the set as well!

Dude! What the hell is your problem?!?! No need for the sarcasm here. I think at 27 I should be perfectly capable of blocking a show. I think between the 10 people in the show...together we can block it fine. I don't know if I said I was taking over the tiniest aspect, but when everyone just wanted to tape the set down, he wasn't moving so someone had to go to the scene shop and grab some tape. Only AFTER that did the director decide that yeah, maybe we should just rehearse with what we've got till we can move into our space. And YES! We are taking charge of buildig the set because that's in the CLASS DESCRIPTION. We're supposed too. It's already been established that if you're not on stage rehearsing you're running lines or painting/building.

How noble and industrious you are! I can see why
you've waited so long to restart your theatrical career
-- you've must've burned out from all that energy in
high school.

Hold up, you don't know me or my life story. A week after finishing Little Shop in high school I was shipped off to boot camp. Four years later after my discharge a friend and I coordinated a youth theatre group in my city and did twoshows atthe same time, a teen show and a younger kids show. Dan and I did everything for that show including writing it. Well recieved in the community and got great reviews, especially the teen show. Later that year my girlfriend was pregnant with our child and I don't know if you have kids, but they certainly take a LARGE chunk of your time. We've JUST RECENTLY had the time to try and get involved again by taking these classes.

How silly of that director wanting to maintain some
kind of schedule! I guess you must know more
about the availability of theater than he does. Just
barge in there and build your set when the whim
strikes you!

Hmmm...maybe you weren't paying attention...but he doesn't maintain ANY sort of schedule. Someone from the class had to find out when the show before ours was doing strike so that we could inform our director that we'd have plenty of time to do the show. I don't think you have ANY idea what you're talking about here.

I compliment you on your enormous restraint in not
reporting this has-been to the dean because he
obviously doesn't live up to your standards. The guy
is not worthy of someone like you who speaks so
eloquently in full sentences.

Hmmm..after a full semester of him ramming down our throats that you NEVER throw a rehearsal or class time away and then him freaking out about time for an hour and then letting us out of class an hour early when we could have been taping a set down or reading it again, excuse me for questioning just how well this guy directs. See this isn't a community theater, it's a comminity college which means we have to PAY for this experience. I'd like to get something out of it.

He should just turn the reigns of the production over
to someone who's so much more prepared, more in
control -- hmm, somebody like you, maybe?

I think maybe you have you're own issues here. What crawled up your butt?

What do you even need a director for? Apparently,
this pedestrian college is stifling your enormous
creativity. Why not just get out now and start your
own theater? Then you can make up your own
schedules, select your own shows, direct yourself,
tell others exactly how they should do their jobs,
build all your sets, sew all the costumes, paint all the
posters and sell the popcorn -- all precisely to your
liking.

Wow, everything you've mentioned here is exactly what the class entails(with the exception of the schedule and starting our own theatre)...We WILL have to be doing all of those things. I guess that shows you.

If the other students in your class are as driven and
as knowledgeable as you, it's no wonder the director
let you go an hour early -- there's absolutely nothing
more he could possibly teach you. [/QUOTE
You make it sound like he DIDN'T let us out early...I assure you he did.
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I wish you all the best of luck in your fabulous career.
And please remember all the "little people" once
you've arrived.

I really don't know what your problem is. Maybe you have this really awesome "together" director in your life...or maybe you are one. I came here with a problem and this is what I get? I certainly don't appreciate it and I expected better from this board. Let's hope you're not in charge here, your biting sarcasm might cause the servers to shut down.
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bullet Posted: 2/05/05 at 9:39am

Children -

Topper is not in charge, I am... and I am asking for a little decorum on this board. Anon is correct... he came asking for advice, not belittling sarcasm, of which none was necessary. However, Anon's response to the sarcasm was a little over the top.

This board is for the discussion of any and all issues related to community theater. It is not for personal attacks. Please do not build your own ego by attacking someone else's.

I will, for the moment, allow the posts to remain... however, I would recommend that you both remove the offending posts on your own. I would also ask everyone to remember their manners when posting. Permission to post at this site is at the sole discression of the Admin group and we will revoke it if we feel it is necessary.

 



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bullet Posted: 2/05/05 at 11:11am
I sincerely apologize if my remarks were out of line. I
will certainly be more mindful in the future. You're
right, I was operating under incomplete information.
All I saw was a college freshman with limited
experience trying to dismiss a director for being
inadequate on only the second day of rehearsal.
Perhaps we both jumped the gun a little bit.
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bullet Posted: 2/05/05 at 12:59pm
I direct a lot of community theater.  Every show is different when it comes to blocking - I give (and expect) a lot more blocking freedom in a heavy drama than a farce but it depends on the actors.  Unless I have worked with them before, I start out very casually.  I always have the play blocked out in my script but many actors seem to find a natural blocking themselves and I give them the freedom to explore it.  I usually let the actors try to block a unit (French scene) by themselves then make whatever changes are necessary for the visual picture.  I tell my actors to cross out all stage directions in their script except for entrances and exits. 

Several years ago I was directing Arsenic and Old Lace.  The actors were slavishly following the directions in the script.  "Why did you cross then?"  "Because it is in the script".  I flipped the set over right to left to stop it.

If there are bad habits that actors seem to fall into blocking themselves they are:  Playing everything upstage or behind the furniture (hiding), getting themselves into a chorus line, always standing in the 45/45 orientation or standing behind someone else from the audience perspective.  I can often just make a small change to fix it. 

In general, if the actors can find what works for their character it will help them be more truthful.  Since their characher is not fully developed in the early rehearsals, I might offer a little more control than later in the process. 

Several years ago there was a thread on this site about letting the actors experiment with their blocking.  I now schedule a few rehearsals late in the process for the actors to do anything they want as long as they respect the words (no changing lines).  Some of the most beautiful parts of the plays have come out of these improvisational rehearsals. 

I have also learned to let the actors have a bigger say in the blocking.  For example, I might ask one actor to move left and sit on the sofa to balance the scene.  "When do you want me to sit?"  "When it feels right" is my usual answer and 9 out of 10 times the actor will find the right time. If not I ask them to find an earlier/later time to sit.  I also realize that there are good actors who are very uncomfortable blocking themselves and I need to respect that too.

Every cast is different and my approach needs to be different.  Hopefully we find a combination that works for everyone.
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The blocking I come up with in my early work with the script is rarely 100% correct once the actors are actually doing it and the set is designed.  (I would say I'm closer to 69%.)  I also will allow actors to do things that feel "organic" or "when it feels right".   The needs of the script, the flow, the characters and the actor will change the movements onstage.  Working with adults, (no matter their experience) you can allow some freedom.  When I work with teens or children I find I must block out more.

More important is the trust issue.  If you are so disheartened by this director that you have considered going to the Dean of the college to assumably have the man removed, perhaps you need to re-consider if you should be in this production/class?  While I pride myself on being able to work with anyone; I don't choose to work with people I know to be difficult. 

Good luck!

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bullet Posted: 2/11/05 at 7:27pm

Thanks to everyone here with their input. I completely understand that directing is a tough job and trust is important. I would like to point out however that it's not just me....EVERYBODY in the class is of the same frame of mind as I am.

We all signed up for the class with the prior knowlege that it could be anything. We could do a full show, we could do an evening of One Acts, scenes, mask work...anything we wanted to do and it was all up to us. We decided to do a full show. The director took our demographic (4 guys 6 girls) and we started sifting through samuel french for plays...just narrowing it down.

We chose our show and ordered the scripts and whatnot. The slot for our run was set for 3 or 4 nights in april. All we've gotten from the director thus far has been for the most part negative. Like we don't have enough time to build a set and reherse, or we don't have a good enough space for rehearsing untill the theatre is availible to use. We've recently found out that now we're down to one show because the school considers it a class project. The director doesn't even know what our budget is yet though he mentioned it before that we had one. Now since we're down to one show they probably aren't going to justify us having a full set. Someone in the class asked how much it'd cost as far as paying ticket holders, custodial and a TD for 3 nights and we came up with roughly $750. We can easily raise that much getting ads (sponsors). Ten of us in class and each get's $100, no big deal. Now we have to fid out if it's legal from the schools standpoint.

It really all comes down to the fact that this should have been all ironed out before the semester even started. At least a rough idea ya know? I'd love to be completely ignorant about it all and just roll with it but he brings everything up to us and really brings us all down. After his last "pep talk" he said let's get to work and someone flat out told him we need about 15 minutes to walk it off and regroup.

He just doesn't have ANYTHING PLANNED. Had it all be very hazy from the beginning and up in the air without any promises for what we can do, I think all of us would be able to handle it better. We signed up for the class with the promise and course description that we could do a full weekend play.

I know someone you are thinking "This is community theatre, sometimes things happen and you have to roll with the punches". To a point I agree...but try not to forget that people do community theatre for the most part in their off-time as a hobby. Everyone in this class has paid about $500 each for the chance to be in a play. His poor planning is mucking it all up.

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