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moxiegal1977
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bullet Posted: 12/02/04 at 4:04pm
I've had the same thing happen to me, although in my case, the kid (who's mother is a monster) didn't even make it to auditions!  No joke.  I felt kind of bad, because the kid had a migrane on audition night, so I offered for her to understudy the lead and/or do tech for me.  The kid was super excited just to be involved, but the MOM, nope, uh-uh.  It was all "My daughter has ALWAYS been part of these shows...how come you didn't hold a LEAD" for her?  Dude.

I actually enced up casting the kid the next year in the next show.  She was remarkably nice, talented and worked really hard.  She must take after her father.

You did the rigt thing, for sure!
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bullet Posted: 1/21/05 at 2:21pm

I just wanted to add - for next time,

After your discussion with mom offer to have her help in another area of the show (tech. or something).  Tell her that you would like to see how she works and if you think she has the drive and proffesionalism perhaps she will be cast next time.  I often do this and if the kid or mom says no then I realize that perhaps they don't have the heart to be involved anyway.  And I will tell them that - that if they truly have the love for theatre they will start out small and work their way up - if not I don't want to work with them anyway.

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I agree...never justify your casting decisions. Just let them come to the show and see the results for themselves. If they are worth their salt, they'll understand, without you having to say a word.

And speaking as someone who's auditioned and not been cast, I agree with Nyria. Let them start out in something small or with crew. The group I've been working with, the first time I auditioned for them was for "Titanic" - and I didn't get in. But I did get to work on the costumes, which was a wonderful way to get to know them better and them me. When they did "I Remember Mama" (the musical), I auditioned again and was cast.

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bullet Posted: 10/13/05 at 2:05am

My condolences.  Have you ever thought about putting on the audition form?  I imagine minor's must have parental permission to even try out.  I have a standard line in REALLY BIG LETTERS--The director is the final authority in all casting decisions.  The director will be more than happy to discuss your particular audition, but you will not be allowed to re-audition, and the casting will not be changed.

This has prevented a lot of the "Why didn't my child get the role of ___________?  She's much better than __________."

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bullet Posted: 10/13/05 at 9:33am
I met up with my share of the stage mothers when I taught in
public school and directed high school shows.

I even had a mother who, after letting me know that my cast
decisions were completely off-base, wanted to know if she or I
should call the female lead and let her know that she was no
longer the lead! Seriously!

It's interesting - from my own experience - and the stories being
related here by others - it sounds as if this is a uniquely female
child's mother problem. I don't think I've ever had a mother
come up and rail because her son wasn't cast as the role in
which she she deemed him worthy. It's always some poor little
girl - who is usually a perfectly nice child - with the obnoxious,
pushy mom. Why is that? LOL

p.s. - for what it's worth - I agree - NEVER explain or attempt to
validate your casting to others!
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bullet Posted: 11/07/06 at 3:57pm

I've been reading these posts and had to add my 2 cents;  I have been directing children and casting them for several years and at first my husband and i have had many problems such as this.  then we switched our audition system.  They are closed.  a child can come in and do a song they know and recite a nursery rhyme or whatever and their parents can be in attendance and that's it.  When it comes time for Callbacks we even tell parents these are closed to parents and we tell them why . . that we feel a child will ultimately give us more if their parents are not watching and do tell them that parents have been an issue in the past.  We make no bones about it.  Nothing is worse than making a casting call and having a parent tell you that their child did better than so and so . . .the children handle it better than the parents sometimes!!  Since we've had closed auditions the instances of these calls have decreased significantly!  so much so that another director decided that open auditions 2 years ago would be fine . . . wouldn't you just know it...those venomous parents popped up again! 

As well, though, when we make our calls and we're calling kids who didn't get cast we always try to do 2 things:  start with the postives, so when we go through the casting we write on every audition form something positive about that person and then we write down one of the major things that contributed to their not getting cast:  lack of projection, enunciation, stage presence, singing was not strong, etc.  The parents generally take this well are glad that we have something for their child to work on.  Sometimes it is not so easy and it's merely a toss up as to who we cast: don't know the children; talent is equal; look for the part is equal and we just go with our gut and we try to be truthful with these children and tell them that there were a lot of kids who tried out and this is the way it fell.  Most kids and parents receive that one ok, as well.  we try not to sugar coat anything nor do we try to be too harsh.  and we always encourage them to come back. 

Parents like this make me not want to work with their children...unfortunate as that is.

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bullet Posted: 11/08/06 at 1:05pm
Congratulations on your grace, I would have been righting that post from lock-up.   

You sound like you handled it well, and hopefully now that she's apologized maybe it's over, but if it's not then you should make sure of your authority w/ the board and then simply ask her to leave rehearsals. You should not leave under any circumstances, it will only give her what she wants (another director she can more easily intimidate) and leave the rest of your cast at her mercy.
"If nothing else, there's applause... like waves of love pouring over the footlights."
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bullet Posted: 11/08/06 at 1:06pm
Just remember if she knew anything about directing or casting she'd be doing it!
"If nothing else, there's applause... like waves of love pouring over the footlights."
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bullet Posted: 11/10/06 at 11:34am

I've enjoyed reading this post and its replies. It seems none of the replies was from a parent so I thought I'd chime in.

Something to consider...

Parents like what you describe scare me. They scare me because of what I fear they may be doing to their children. As a mom who likes to think she has a very good relationship with directors and stage managers it also kills me when I witness this type of behavior.

But I've learned, actually very recently that it's a very small world and eventually everyone learns who these parents are. Oh by the way, boys moms are like this too. There's one mom who always makes a point of telling me that the director told her that "if only her daughter could  have come to the CB, she would have gotten the role of whatever". I thought I was the only one who found her insufferable. I don't usually "hang" with other stagemoms so I didn't realize the repuation she has. I've recently learned just how much you directors talk to each other and just how much stagemoms (except apparently for me) share info. This particular mom and her little angel are banned from a couple theaters in my city. I thought it was just me who couldn't stand her!

Just please remember that not all parents are like this. Sometimes I'm afraid to even ask a simple, legitemate (sp?) question if I don't know the director for fear s/he will think I'm one of "those" stage moms. Closed auditions, open auditions, do what you want, you're the boss. Just be honest, tell us the real deal, your expectations, when you'll make a decision. Just do what you say you're going to do.... and all the other great advice on this forum. If you don't cast the kids with difficult parents, you'll be doing yourself a favor as well as doing a favor for the other parents who try to behave 'cuz they bug US too!

 

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bullet Posted: 11/10/06 at 11:42am
Originally posted by ozarks

Closed auditions, open auditions, do what you want, you're the boss. Just be honest, tell us the real deal, your expectations, when you'll make a decision. Just do what you say you're going to do.... and all the other great advice on this forum.

 

An excellent point.  It's important to let all of your auditioners know what you are looking for, what you will expect of them if cast, and what they should expect from you.  Be clear, be thorough, and be true to your word.  There are probably as many inept directors as intolerable stage-parents. 

Investigate. Imagine. Choose.
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