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Lynda
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Topic: Musical RoyaltiesPosted: 3/23/04 at 1:59pm |
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Hi-- I am a member at small community theatre in Texas. The theatre is only 7 years old and slowly growing. Currently only straight plays are produced, but there have been requests for musicals. We can seat 100, and have an average of 60 in attendance - and each show runs 7 performances. Our VP of Production refuses to even look into requesting a quote for a musical, saying that they're too expensive, and the theatre can't afford it... I think we would have larger audiences come in for musicals, and obviously larger audition turn outs as well. Are musicals that expensive? Aren't there cheaper quotes for non-profit smaller houses? Our VP of Production has never been in a musical - and some of us are beginning to think that is why she won't look into royalties for a musical. Would a house our size support a musical production? Thanks... |
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Mike Polo
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Community Theater Green Room Joined: 2/01/04 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 286 |
Posted: 3/23/04 at 2:42pm |
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I don't have any exact figures because royalties differ from show to show, but we just did Nunsense II in a 100 seat theater with 7 performances and the royalty costs were about $1000 higher than those for a straight play. Costs were also higher for scripts and music rentals. Indeed, a musical, particularly a well known one, will boost attendance and many companies charge a premium on tickets for their musical offerings to help offest the higher costs involved. Hopefully, someone here will be able to provide some additional illumination to what I've given you. |
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Linda
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Posted: 3/23/04 at 2:58pm |
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I am on the board of directors for a small community theater in Maine. We seat 125. We have about 80% attendance for straight shows and 90 -100% attendance for musicals. If your question is will you sell more seats? The answer is almost always yes. Musicals are expensive to produce. Not only are the rights more expensive, but there is the music director, the pit, the rental of the music etc. It just is so much more complicated. As to cheaper for non-profit smaller houses. They will charge you according to the size of your house and your ticket price. I have no idea what they use for a formula. We usually budget between $8,000 - $10,000 for a musical. We charge more for a ticket to see a musical then a straight show, that helps with the cost. We get a sponsor to underwrite part of the royalties. Then we ask area businesses if they would like to underwrite other expenses ie. the orchestra, costumes, just about anything we can think of. They really love seeing in the program "The orchestra is underwritten by Joe Schmoe's Sandwich Shop", or the rental of the grand piano is being underwritten by "Keep it Clean Car Wash." Without exception, in the last 15 years we have made money on every musical. They other really good part . . most musicals involve more people. We have found some of our best volunteers and participants and members when we did musicals. Good luck. |
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Kathy S.
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Posted: 3/23/04 at 11:21pm |
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I would second everything that Linda has said with the addition that I was told by a licensing company that they figure 12% of the potential ticket sales as the royalty fee. |
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Lynda
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Joined: 3/23/04 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
Posted: 3/24/04 at 5:02am |
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Thank all of you immensely for your replies and information. It is a real help. Thank you again -- Lynda |
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Gaafa
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Joined: 3/21/04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1181 |
Posted: 3/24/04 at 9:00pm |
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In support of all that has been previously posted. I have no idea of your location & the typography of your area, concerning local traders such as restaurants & the like. However in my experience local community theatres who do musicals create a knock on effect of increased local business & trading. It won?t happen over night & does take awhile for it to build up - but it will happen! The group will also get a long lasting effect of increased resources & support, with the greatest increase in reusable resources being people. That is dependant of course if the group is awake & taps into it! An increasing number of agencies, handling musicals, are accepting midi file music & even producing rehearsal & show tapes or CD?s of the shows. As an alternative to having live musicians, which reduces costs dramatically for community theatre groups. Also there are now a lot of downloadable quality midi files of musicals available on the net. |
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Joe
Western Gondawandaland turn right @ Perth. Hear the light & see the sound. Toi Toi Toi Chookas {{"chook [chicken] it is"} May you always play to a full house} |
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Dan Boris
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Posted: 3/25/04 at 12:48pm |
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Another thing to remeber about musical royalties, some rights houses will actually refund you some of the royalty payment if you don't fill your houses. For example if you pay royalties for a 150 seat house, and can show documentation that you only filled a 100 of those seats for each performance, you may get some money back. Also, if you cancel a performance also check for a refund. On the otherside of the coin, watch out for the extra charges that can come from returning rented scripts and scores late. You have a certain amount of time after your production to return these, if you don't make the deadline it will cost you. Also if you loose, damage, or forget to erase notes in a script/score, you may also be fined for this. Dan |
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Linda
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Posted: 3/25/04 at 1:49pm |
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That is good advice about the rental materials. We actually have someone at strike whose job it is to make sure that all rental materials are erased, mended, accounted for and boxed up ready to be returned the next day. On the subject of deposits on rental materials: Keep track of those deposits. I found since they are returned after the show has closed they can fall through the cracks. I just called a prominent theater house for the 3rd time in 2 years because they had forgotten to return the deposits on shows. I always get an apology and check sent out in a couple days when I call. It makes me wonder how many deposits have not been returned because we got busy and had moved onto our next project.
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Mike Polo
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Posted: 3/25/04 at 3:09pm |
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Too true, Linda... never assume that your money is as important to them as theirs is.
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KathyS
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Posted: 3/25/04 at 6:59pm |
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It can be a challenge to get scripts back with the pencil marks erased, too. Last time we did a musical we required a $25 deposit on the librettos because that is what we'd be charged if we didn't return the book or returned it with damage. We collected checks from everyone and held them until the books were returned. In many cases, upon returning the books the cast member would tell us to keep the check as a donation to the theatre. Nice. |
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