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Kim L.
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Topic: Gobo used for a backdrop
Posted: 2/20/09 at 6:18pm

Hello, I am needing a NY skyline scene for the backdrop of one of my scenes. I will have a flat, limosine and characters dancing in front of the skyline. Will using a gobo work or will the characters or set pieces end up having the gobo shined on them?

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Posted: 2/20/09 at 7:25pm

It depends on the angle of the projection. If you project from above and keep the projection above their heads you won't have a problem.

You could rear project with a gobo onto a scrim without issue. You could also silhouette a NYC skyline (cutout of luan in small scale say 2' x 8') onto a scrim.

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Posted: 2/20/09 at 7:33pm

G'day Kim

Yes' unless you have the height to project over them?

You could use back projection, say from a 'Linebach' shadow box, projected on the rear of a scrim or cyc. But you would need enough upstage space to do this? Or the abilityto bounce the image off a mirror [1:5].

As you have mentioned prior, you have no flyspace, me thinks you might by up the creak without a paddle!

A set piece may be your only option.

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Posted: 2/20/09 at 9:27pm

If you can use your Gobos on a cyc on a fairly deep stage, and you can get the director to keep all of the action way downstage you can probably pull off a night scene. If at all possible light the action from the sides and back to keep as much light off of the cyc as possible. Anything coming from the front will bounce off of the stage on to the cyc and kill your effect.

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Posted: 2/26/09 at 10:06pm

One thing you could look at, is using a 'FERGO' [GOBO] -

CHECK OUT THE 'sELECON pACIFIC RANGE OF 'PROFILE LAMPS;-

http://www.seleconlight.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=159&Itemid=211

tHIS MAY BE A BETTER OPTION, AS YOU CAN MAKE YPUR OWN IMAGE, PRINTED ON PLASTIC, FROM ANY pc.

Joe
Western Gondawandaland
turn right @ Perth.
Hear the light & see the sound.
Toi Toi Toi Chookas {{"chook [chicken] it is"}
May you always play
to a full house}

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Posted: 3/03/09 at 8:21pm

The Fergo Gobo is very interesting. It sure seems like it could open up a lot of options for a lower cost.

Anyway, what do you need to purchase in order to do this and how expensive is it?

Kim

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Posted: 3/03/09 at 9:01pm

We have a Rosco Image Pro and I like it a lot. It can be used in most of the newer instruments that have the fancy glass reflectors(Source four, Shakespeare, Selcon Pacific, etc.). The IP drops into the gobo slot.

The Image Pro accepts a special slide holder that has 2 layers. There is a fan that blows air between the layers to keep the slide cool. The fan can be powered by the same power as the light.

Rosco will make a slide from your artwork or they will sell you an overpriced single use DIY slide holder for $25. I have had good success with printing using a Canon inkjet printer and re-using the holder. I usually run the overhead transparency film through more than once to get better blacks.

I'm told that it works really well in a Source Four with the new High Def lens tubes.

I suspect the rig Gaafa was talking about is pretty much the same concept.

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Kim L. Star Joined: 2/03/07 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 86	Topic: Gobo used for a backdrop Posted: 2/20/09 at 6:18pm
	Hello, I am needing a NY skyline scene for the backdrop of one of my scenes. I will have a flat, limosine and characters dancing in front of the skyline. Will using a gobo work or will the characters or set pieces end up having the gobo shined on them? Thanks!!
	Kim

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vickifrank Celebrity Joined: 9/21/07 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 332	Posted: 2/20/09 at 7:25pm
	It depends on the angle of the projection. If you project from above and keep the projection above their heads you won't have a problem. You could rear project with a gobo onto a scrim without issue. You could also silhouette a NYC skyline (cutout of luan in small scale say 2' x 8') onto a scrim.
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Gaafa Celebrity Joined: 3/21/04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1181	Posted: 2/20/09 at 7:33pm
	G'day Kim Yes' unless you have the height to project over them? You could use back projection, say from a 'Linebach' shadow box, projected on the rear of a scrim or cyc. But you would need enough upstage space to do this? Or the abilityto bounce the image off a mirror [1:5]. As you have mentioned prior, you have no flyspace, me thinks you might by up the creak without a paddle! A set piece may be your only option.
	Joe Western Gondawandaland turn right @ Perth. Hear the light & see the sound. Toi Toi Toi Chookas {{"chook [chicken] it is"} May you always play to a full house}
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David McCall Celebrity Joined: 1/28/09 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 299	Posted: 2/20/09 at 9:27pm
	If you can use your Gobos on a cyc on a fairly deep stage, and you can get the director to keep all of the action way downstage you can probably pull off a night scene. If at all possible light the action from the sides and back to keep as much light off of the cyc as possible. Anything coming from the front will bounce off of the stage on to the cyc and kill your effect.
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Gaafa Celebrity Joined: 3/21/04 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1181	Posted: 2/26/09 at 10:06pm
	One thing you could look at, is using a 'FERGO' [GOBO] - CHECK OUT THE 'sELECON pACIFIC RANGE OF 'PROFILE LAMPS;- http://www.seleconlight.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=159&Itemid=211 tHIS MAY BE A BETTER OPTION, AS YOU CAN MAKE YPUR OWN IMAGE, PRINTED ON PLASTIC, FROM ANY pc.
	Joe Western Gondawandaland turn right @ Perth. Hear the light & see the sound. Toi Toi Toi Chookas {{"chook [chicken] it is"} May you always play to a full house}
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Kim L. Star Joined: 2/03/07 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 86	Posted: 3/03/09 at 8:21pm
	The Fergo Gobo is very interesting. It sure seems like it could open up a lot of options for a lower cost. Anyway, what do you need to purchase in order to do this and how expensive is it?
	Kim
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David McCall Celebrity Joined: 1/28/09 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 299	Posted: 3/03/09 at 9:01pm
	We have a Rosco Image Pro and I like it a lot. It can be used in most of the newer instruments that have the fancy glass reflectors(Source four, Shakespeare, Selcon Pacific, etc.). The IP drops into the gobo slot. The Image Pro accepts a special slide holder that has 2 layers. There is a fan that blows air between the layers to keep the slide cool. The fan can be powered by the same power as the light. Rosco will make a slide from your artwork or they will sell you an overpriced single use DIY slide holder for $25. I have had good success with printing using a Canon inkjet printer and re-using the holder. I usually run the overhead transparency film through more than once to get better blacks. I'm told that it works really well in a Source Four with the new High Def lens tubes. I suspect the rig Gaafa was talking about is pretty much the same concept.
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