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    Posted: 4/16/04 at 1:39pm

First off, I am so thrilled to find this site.  I'm actively involved in another one just like this one here in my area, but I don't feel that I can get an un-clique answer.  I've been involved in a near-by community theater for the past 5 years.  I've been cast in all chorus roles in every show that I've done.  I've become good friends with the people there because I've not limited myself in what I do while I'm there.  I do anything from set builds, to costuming, to stage crew, and of course acting.  Anyway, I've tried out for shows and I'm always told by the directors that my auditions were great.  The only problem with that is, if they were so great why didn't they cast me???  I've been past up for roles that I was completely prepared for and did great in auditions, but they would pick someone that would end up becoming a problem during the show.  In auditions, they ask for schedule conflicts and I never have any.  The one's they pick have a lot of conflicts.  If I need to loosen up more during readings, they're not telling me.  If so, how do I go about doing that???  Despite some major dissappointments, I always try to learn from them and get right back up.  The summer show auditions are coming up and I wonder if I should even get back up this time.   I absolutely love the theater.  I just don't know what I can do different to be considered for a part more than the needed chorus parts, or so that I quit being passed by.  I may not be a size 10, but I know that I can do whatever is needed.

Sorry this is so long, but I've been holding all this in for too long.  Can anyone give me some tips or anything????? 

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bullet Posted: 4/16/04 at 7:38pm
My first impression of this situation is that you appear too willing to accept the smaller parts in a show and the directors know you'll take them (unlike so many others) AND you'll help out in the many other activities during a production as well.  They probably figure with a smaller part you'll have more time to work on the crews they REALLY need help with.  Perhaps you should inform the director you are not interested in a part in the chorus this time, either before auditions start or if/when a chorus part is offered.  Then stick to it.  Stay connected if you must by working on various tech crews, but don't be TOO available for that, either.  Sitting a few shows out on the dark side of the lights as a techie or in the audience (rather than settling for a part in the chorus), might motivate the director to find a larger part for you.  OBVIOUSLY, you must always be diplomatic and pleasant, but stand up for your wishes as well.  Good luck with whatever you do!
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bullet Posted: 4/16/04 at 8:16pm

Thank you for reply, Spectrum.  It gives me a different view of things.  I was always told to take anything that was offered just to get my face out there.  I did actually turn down a part in a show that I wanted to do really bad because they wanted me to be a chorus wife (in Joseph).  I really wanted to do the show, but I did stick to my decision.   

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bullet Posted: 4/16/04 at 9:12pm

 I agree with Spectrum!
Unfortunately Kristi you have become far too valuable backstage!
You will find the ones who get the parts, are warm props only - who believe that a ?Wrench? is purely stress related!
I don?t know if there are any other groups near you, if there is - Try out for as many as you can! Keep your ear to the ground & find out what roles are available & go for them! Even if you don?t get a part there, let your group know it. However if you crack a role, let your mob know very subtlety all about it! Then watch things change for you rapidly -G'donya!


 

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bullet Posted: 4/17/04 at 11:38am

Speaking from the casting side of things, I have a couple of points.  First, it may be that you have made yourself so important back stage that you do not get cast.  I do not know how your shows are cast, but I do know that I have never had a director with the groups I work with worry at all about tech.  I would imagine that if an actor is a standout, they will get cast, no matter what they can do back stage.

Secondly, the chorus is important!  I realize that most actors want "the lead", but in most shows a lead with no chorus means there is no show.  The more actors who consider the chorus "settling", the fewer good shows will be available to see.

If an actor continues to be cast in the chorus, then I agree with the previous posts.  Decide before the audition if you will accept a chorus part.  If you will not, then let the director know ahead of time.  If the director  knows you will only play certain parts they will only look at you for those parts.  If you do not tell a director and then do not accept a chorus part, the casting people will take a hard look the next time you audition.

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bullet Posted: 4/17/04 at 1:00pm

I can come at this from two directions.

First as a director I DO worry about tech and getting the set built and all that stuff BUT acting comes first.  I will cast the best person for each role and they fill in with the tech.  If I don't get a show worth watching the tech will not matter. 

Unfortunately, there are some people who do not have the energy or charisma or whatever it is that will make their character stand out in a leading role.  I have learned that it can be taught and I have a reputation for always trying new actors - in the last five or six shows I have directed, over half the actors were first or second timers - even in the leading roles.

Now from the acting side:  Until recently, I was always in the chorus of a big musical.  I auditioned 14 times in a row and never got cast - over a period of four years!!!  I got so discouraged that I stopped going to auditions.  I did a lot of back stage stuff and got a reputation for being a good techie.  I started producing and directing and took acting classes.  And I took acting classes.  And I took acting classes.  I thought I got better but I still didn't get cast.  

Last January, I took an acting class (go to www.greenwoodstudio.org and look at SOAR) that made me feel really good about my acting and gave me the confidence to go back to auditions.  I did finally get cast recently as Jake in Neil Simon's Jakes Women - I was the only guy who showed up for auditions!  That hasn't helped in the past - when I was the only one left the director went out and found someone else - hard on the ego.  Anyway, the concensus was that I nailed Jake.  Even more importantly, other directors saw me.  We'll see if I get cast any more often in the future.

In conclusion, I suggest you take some acting training.  At the end of the class your instructor will be in a very good position to give you a true summary of your acting ability and what you need to do to get cast more often.

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bullet Posted: 4/17/04 at 4:48pm

Thank you very much for all responses.  I first want to address John's issue of the chorus.  First of all, I never said that the chorus wasn't important.  I am very well aware of how important the chorus is to a show!  I have no problem being in the chorus, just not all the time.  I actually think that the chorus is quite a fun role to be in.  I also do not have to be the lead in the show to be happy.  There are some people that only want to do chorus parts, and then there are those that strive to do a little more than chorus.  Not that chorus isn't important.  I would just like to get a role that would have speaking lines with it as well.  I have absolutely no problem with working my way up in casting if that is what is needed.  I try to learn from every audition/ show that I do so that I come back better the next time I audition for a show, which leads me to Doug's reply.  Thank you.  Actually, I am going to be taking some acting classes.  I know that everyone in this field needs self-improvement along the way if they expect to get anywhere with it. 

I do truly appreciate everyone's perspective on this issue and I am  thinking about how to implement them in my future auditions.

 

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Kristi,
I have dealt with a similar issue myself. When I joined the group I work with, I was really excited. I was even elected treasurer. Then, I couldn't seem to get out of the chorus. I asked several people what I needed to improve, what I needed to change. The general response was that being the treasurer, and them seeing me, the tomboy, often, they couldn't picture me in any of the 'feminine' roles. Then another director said he thought I was great, but I'd have a better chance in a real community theatre, since ours is more professional, and, therefore, looks are much more important. (This past show they selected a QVC model as the lead). Needless to say, my self-esteem took a major dive.

Then I realized if I wasn't 'good enough' for them on stage, I didn't need to give my life away being their treasurer. So, I made it known to the board that I would audition with other groups and would cut down on the 'extras' I did as treasurer (weekly updates, pages of reports no one actually reads, etc., all stuff they asked for).

I've been watching for upcoming auditions with other groups, but just the feeling that I can audition elsewhere has helped me a great deal. Letting me, the actress, forge my path, instead of me, the dependable worker has made me much happier with where I am.

So, Kristi, take classes, work hard, don't let them take advantage of you and remember, there are other choices out there!

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For goodness sake, Kristi, don't give up!  Been where you are, hated it.  No more.  I'm lucky enough these days to have the opposite problem.  "Please, please! Herr Direktor, please give me the part of the Gravedigger:  Hamlet has over 1200 blasted lines!"  The turning point?  Experience, study, and determination gave me the confidence to DEMAND a part through powerful auditioning.  You see, in the beginning I strove for good auditions.  Now, I know that I may have one chance and once chance only to play the character I want, and I PLAY it in auditions, whether the director likes it or not.  To hades with directors - what do they know?  When I audition for Lear, I get to be that old sucker for at least for a few lines: something most folks never get a chance to be (or not to be), and for a brief, floating, untouchable moment I AM Lear.  That's something no one can take away from me, whether I get cast or not.  A good director will see this quality in an auditioner, and, if wise, will make the proper casting.  I can remember the first time it happened to me as if itwere today.  After a slew of small bits, I auditioned for MacBeth, and when I had finished a scene with some Lady MacBeth or another, I could FEEL the breath leave the collective body watching the auditions. I wanted to be MacBeth at least once! and I lost myseft in him for that two page reading.  I didn't get the part of the bloody Scottsman, but I was was granted Banquo, and I worked my poor little self to distraction.  And I was very, very good.  Reviews were great, and my mention especially sweet.  After that... pshaw!  Finding good roles are a piece of cake. Success breeds success. So hang in there.  Your chance will come.  Never surrender. Never let 'em get you down.  Knock 'em dead. 

PS.  I may be alone, and I wonder how others feel about this, but I LOVE the audition process.  It's my favorite part.  Sometimes I will audition for a role knowing full well that I'll be out of town opening night - just for the thrill of it.  I rarely, if ever, study up on the play.  That's bad, I think.  Auditions are the one chance for spontaneous spurts of pure feeling:  no director telling you to "do it this way" or "that."  Just you with nothing to lose but your lunch.  But I've said too much already (I can feel the directors cringing). 

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bullet Posted: 6/15/04 at 1:59pm

Well, I thank everyone for their encouragement these past few months.  I just auditioned for Sound of Music this past Sunday and Monday, and it went rather well.  I came out strong and made some adustments per the director.  They called back the next day and was cast.  I didn't get the part I thought that I would, but I got 2 parts instead.  Not only did I just get the nun chorus part, but also the part of Frau Zeller.  I may not of landed a lot of lines, but at least I'll be getting at least 1 line to say.  This is more than I've ever had before.  It may not be a big advancement, but an advancement it is! 

 

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