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    Posted: 5/17/08 at 10:36am
Taking this to a new thread, from the directing forum post on Speed Rehearsals, found at http://www.communitytheater.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3174. The comment was made of variations in directorial and theater process, referring to specifically one director who blocks all the action before handing out scripts.
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that one who won't hand out scripts until the blocking is done, so the words flow "organically" from the movement. 

Which brings up the side question--if you're cast by a director with this philosophy, you didn't know it ahead of time and you absolutely don't want to work that way, are you justified in quitting?

Well, the key word in your question is "justified" I'd say. Actors can have objection to many things, including language, physical contact, theme and plot lines, and so on, all which they may not know coming in. And I suspect that as experience grows, we each know what to ask of the director and producer about the play and the production process specific to that theater. The justification for quitting a production is based solely on your own personal set of standards, and no one else's. But you have a responsibility to find out what you can as to how a different theater or director "works."

Each actor should feel fully comfortable with inquiring about such factors ahead of time.  And each theater company should be willing to explain their process and philosophy up front as well.

I always say at auditions that I will not bring a fully-formed "vision" to the rehearsal process, but expect all the actors to contribute and make substantial contributions to the development of the play's final realization. They're out there in the lights doing it, I need them to believe it's the right moment every second along the way, and not that they're doing it because the director says so.  I also tell them that as the director, I reserve final word and may override their ideas, but I explain why when I do so they understand.  I also tell them that the first couple weeks of rehearsal will be spent at the table, reading and discussing, trying to get a handle on the story and the characters before we stand it up, so we know who these people are and why they do what they do.  It's different than most CT's I've ever been involved with, but most of those who've been with us have a great time in the end.

And I've never had anyone quit on me, although there have been times I wish they would. Wink
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bullet Posted: 5/17/08 at 11:32am
You certainly have a different directing philosophy than I do.   But as an actor I'd at least be willing to try your method.   As a director  I'm of the mind to get folks on their feet as soon as possible.   As in my day day job I hate meetings and I'd rather be doing than talking about something.  I view time at the table in much the same way.  But that's me and it's not to say the same ends aren't achieved, it's simply the road that's taken to get there. 
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bullet Posted: 5/17/08 at 11:52am
Shoot!  I addressed this on the other thread!  Quitting is so personal.  It's hard for another person to judge whether it's "justified"...I don't think it's really even fair to try.  It all comes down to your personal life philosophy.  I'm not a "quitter", but that has earned me some pretty unpleasant experiences.  But those were my choices and I'll live with them.
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Originally posted by B-M-D

You certainly have a different directing philosophy than I do.   But as an actor I'd at least be willing to try your method.   As a director  I'm of the mind to get folks on their feet as soon as possible.   As in my day day job I hate meetings and I'd rather be doing than talking about something.  I view time at the table in much the same way.  But that's me and it's not to say the same ends aren't achieved, it's simply the road that's taken to get there. 

I came to it from "years" of cookie-cutter theater where the primary goal was to get off book, make your entrance, hit your mark, and exit. (I summarize)  In discussions with other actors backstage, it became clear to me that the cast often had a different idea than the director of what the play was about and what the action should be. So I thought I'd try something new.
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bullet Posted: 5/17/08 at 7:25pm
Sounds beaut David!
I know I'd like to try the concept, with our next proposed production. As soon as I revive the Treasury from moth balls & get the money off to Stuart @ Lazy Bee. Rather than via a cheque.
The production is a Radio Show, titled the 'Big Idea' by Nigel Holloway.
Which would be great to apply your idea & see how it goes!
May be you should have it published?
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bullet Posted: 5/19/08 at 8:06am
Originally posted by theactordavid


Actors can have objection to many things, including language, physical contact, theme and plot lines, and so on, all which they may not know coming in.

How could you not know about language, theme and plot lines coming in? And if there is anything potentially objectionable that's not present in the sides, I feel as a director I feel it is my responsibility to make certain everyone is informed of that at auditions.
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But you have a responsibility to find out what you can as to how a different theater or director "works."

If we're talking community theater where you're asking people to volunteer I believe it's the director's responsibility to explain how she/he works at the auditions, especially if it's going to be an unusual process. People are coming to auditions and to community theater productions from all sorts of different perspectives and places in their lives. I don't think it's fair to tell someone like "So what if you're fifty years old and haven't memorized lines in 20 years. I don't give anyone a script until blocking is finished. You should have found that out before you auditioned."
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bullet Posted: 5/19/08 at 9:27am
The concept sounds interesting and I would like to be an actor in a show like that, however as a director it would give me ulcers taking time away from the actors working on their lines.  I just finished directing a run of "the Best Man" by Gore Vidal and would really have loved for my cast to have at least another week to have worked on the lines.  The show is very character and word driven without much action.  It was important to have both an insight on the character (which the new method would accomplish) and a solid grasp on the lines (which can't be done without a script in their hands).  At the very least this new method gives me another directorial tool which may come in handy at a later date.
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bullet Posted: 5/19/08 at 9:47am
Just to clarify - I'm not the director who doesn't explain up front. Nor do I set blocking before scripts are handed out.  I just mentioned how I had read about (at least) one whose method is that way.

As for not explaining script content and director/producer/theater practices in advance, let me only say I've been involved as an actor with some such groups, and so I am aware that it happens.  The key word in jayzehr's reply is "responsibility", and I guess then that some directors I've acted for were not.

Much like a regular job, where you can't simply settle for knowing you give 40 hours and get paid - you want to know what you'll be asked to do, and how much you get paid, and so on. That's all part of the interview process before you take the job, so there are no surprises.  But that's not always the way it happens out here in way-off-off-off-off CT land, regretably.

And Patrick, I don't think I've ever been in a show where one more week would not have been welcomed,  regardless of what everyone thought of the readiness level. But I think every show I've ever been in, everyone wanted to do it one more week at the end of the run. Now.... what can we learn from all of that??Big%20smile
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bullet Posted: 5/19/08 at 12:46pm
Originally posted by theactordavid

.....I don't think I've ever been in a show where one more week would not have been welcomed,  regardless of what everyone thought of the readiness level. But I think every show I've ever been in, everyone wanted to do it one more week at the end of the run. Now.... what can we learn from all of that??Big%20smile
 
That whether one has had 3 weeks or 12 weeks of rehearsal, know yours as well as the other guy's lines, blocking and interpretation as well as the playwright's life story and intent of the script we always want "one more week before we open."   Actors, we're so.....needy. LOL 
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You auditioned, you were offered a role, and you accepted the role. Once you accept that role you agree to commit to that production. That includes participating in the rehearsal process. Now, I've never heard of a director expecting an actor to learn blocking before having a script in his or her hand, but as an actor I am more than willing to try different formats within the rehearsal process. Just as I would be happy to learn and try new characterization excercises. Not all excercises will be fun, not all will help you sculpt that Tony Award Winning character.

So, is anyone justified in "QUITTING" for this or similar reasons?
 
NO!!!
 
You are in Community Theater, which means you shoud try to "LEARN" anything you can from the experience, and uphold the commitment you made to the rest of the cast, crew, and eventual audience. Now, if you have, honestly, tried the methods being pressed upon you and simply cannot do what is being asked of you, then YOU talk to the Director, or the Producing Director and/or Board Representative (if you can't work out the issue with the director). Finally, if the issue cannot be resolved to something you can all live with, thank the Director and Board Representative for the opportunity to be in their production, apologize for any misunderstanding/s, restate your issues (whatever they may be), and offer to help prepare a replacement.
 
As a director, if you are uneasy with my methods or have tried my methods and it caused you a problem in the past... Please, bring it to my attention. As a Director I had BETTER be able to work with you on this.  However, if you simply don't want to try my methods... "Thank you for letting me know as soon as possible, there's the door, and NO I won't need your help preparing a replacement".
 
 
Great... my first post and I already sound like a "diva"...Confused
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