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    Posted: 10/18/07 at 1:29am
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We are doing the Ledgend of Sleepy Hollow and I was wondering if any of you had sugestions on how to make a realistic headless horseman?  Also the director wanted to know if a live horse would be safe on stage. I told her i didn't think so, but that I would look into it.  Am I the only one that thinks that's nuts???/Confused
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bullet Posted: 10/18/07 at 8:37am
A real horse on stage? Well I know it's been done but I'd venture you'd have to have a horse that is so well trained as to be completely fail-safe and even then good luck!! WOW!! AIDA - the Verdi Opera - has something like either 4 or 6 white stallions pulling a chariot roaring onto stage at full gait.  Although the MET and most stages that do that are 100' deep or more so they have room to come roaring in from the side and come to a screeching halt at the front edge of the stage or near.  But an untrained horse - maybe running wing to wing might be ok but 1000 pounds of horse meat with steel shoes on somebodys wooden stage (unless you have Marley's down or something) would likely tear up a stage fairly well.
 
The GAG for the headless horseman can BEST be done if you watch how they did it for the film Johnny Depp was in. VERY uncomfortable but looked better than any gag like that I've ever seen.  Actor LEANS BACK into the flowing cape (hidden by it) and the rig is on his chest and upper arms that looks like the upper body. Puts the arms in the right position and doesn't EXTEND the head or upper torso to look fake as most of those do.
 
WOW!!  Good luck on THAT decision - tough call for sure.
 
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bullet Posted: 10/18/07 at 3:25pm

We did this show last year and we bought a headless horseman outfit from one of those online costume places, like buycostumes.com or something like that.  It wasn't horribly expensive.

What the costume does is creates a set a fake shoulders on top of the actor's real shoulders and then the cape goes on top of that.  There is also a thin bit of fabric built into the "shirt" part of the costume that allows the actor to see.  The one we bought wasn't exactly the best in terms of quality, but you get what you pay for.  And you can hide some of the imperfections in the costume by lighting the scene very dark and spooky.  We used lots of strong backlight so things were really in silhoette for those moments with the horsemen.
 
As far as the horse, unless you have a pooper scooper following the horseman around I wouldn't mess with it, and like Tony said a full sized horse would probably really damage your stage.
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bullet Posted: 10/18/07 at 4:47pm
Have you considered projection of either the horse & rider or a silhouette of a horse & rider?
 
Its simple and no pooper scooper needed.
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bullet Posted: 10/18/07 at 5:02pm
Thanks, i found one of those costumes online. but what did you use for a horse.
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bullet Posted: 10/18/07 at 5:06pm
I have thought about it, but I have no clue how I would go about doing it.  how would i get video of it to project?  i also thought of using a gobo.  what do you thing about that??//
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bullet Posted: 10/18/07 at 6:42pm
1.) If you have access to the horse, you could tape it with the actor in costume. 
 
2.) Or tape the scene in silhouette and project that on a scrim or screen.
 
3.) Use something like a sawhorse/ step ladder structure for the actor to sit on ...cut a horse silhouette shape to be in front of the structure (do it from the front view of the horse, not side view to hide the structure that the horseman actor is sitting on) voila, instant silhouette.  Tip for silhouette screen, either use the spandex that silhouette screens in clubs are made from or a Chameleon scrim (don't use sharkstooth) and instead of the usual strong light source that exaggerates the silhouette do this technique:  Light the back wall, and place actor on "horse" between back wall and scrim.  Now the silhouette will appear normal and you won't have blinded your audience with strong light source.  If you really want it cool, rig the horse cut out head to be hinged so it moves--allowing the horseman to 'toss' the horse's head on cue to a whinny!
 
4.)Or if you want the silhouette, you could set up a silhouette screen with a realistic horse silhouette painted opaquely on it (front or back side) so the horse isn't really behind the screen...but the actor is.  Since the part of the actor that moves is at the top of the screen you use that part as a silhouette screen placing a strong light on the wall behind his head (Maybe the full moon?)  SInce the light is dark near the horse's hooves the detail there is less important letting you hide the little step ladder you have the horseman on.
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bullet Posted: 10/18/07 at 8:02pm
Here's a scan of a silhouette that I drew up for you.  You can see if you position the horse nearly facing the audience, the feet can hide the sawhorse or step ladder that you have the actor sitting on.  If this were a "built" cut out of the horse, you could hinge the neck by a simple carriage bolt mid-chest of the horse--allowing a little movement of the horse's head.  I wouldn't make the movement big or people will figure out how it was done.  I'd also let the horseman puppet the horse head with reins attached to the head.. .
 
And don't forget to have flashes of lightning and quick blackouts behind them...it will make the horse appear to move, because people's eye can't adjust that quickly.
 
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bullet Posted: 10/18/07 at 11:15pm
You are brilliant. can't thank you enough!!!
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